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Yea, I'm thinking Caramel(and Ginger and Rizzo), are Cinnamons! How cool! I was not expecting a litter full of selfs and berks whatsoever. Mom is a hooded Agouti, and there are 3 possible dads, A PEW, a Blue/Silver self and another hooded Agouti. I thought we'd end up with a few hoodeds, but nope, every single one is a berk, self and I have one irish mink girl as well.

Thank you everyone for the advice and the beautiful beautiful pictures!

It sounds like you've been busy!

Thanks!  If this is ok, then I may have just found a way to save a little money from now on.  So far with searching I found one site that said you just use .5cc of the product for every 10 pound of dog (basically like you said, nakedrats).  Another site goes into a little more detail:

Measuring:

2 cc's would be enough for a 66 pound dog For a dog in the 50 to 80 lb range, you may want to measure this amount, then add or subtract one "line" - (marked for 1/10th cc) for each 3.3 pounds of weight.

1 cc would be enough for a 33 pound dog Again, add or subtract one "line" (1/10 cc) for each 3.3 pounds under or over 33 pounds.

1/2 cc would be enough for a 16.5 pound dog.

For smaller dogs, count each line on the syringe (1/10 cc) for 3.3 pounds.

Since they seem to be a little more exact, I think I'm going to go with their measurements - unless anyone on here knows of anything different.

Here's the site I found that information: http://www.hopeweb99.com/bo/frontline.htm

And I just found a border collie board where they mentioned the minimum recommended dose is 0.0306 ml/lb. 

I figure, either way I go, I'm being a lot more accurate than just putting a whole tube that has such a large recommended dog weight range on it. 

These are all great ideas.   Fur coming soon!

I decided I had to take the pics tonight as I am almost late for work every morning with the photoshoot LOL

I took individual pics this time...

Biggest PEW girl


Black berk girl



2nd biggest PEW girl


Agouti (?) variberk boy Moshi


2nd smallest PEW girl



Split cap girl, who I think now is black, she's darkened a lot.

...you can see the fuzzies starting to come in   


Pez...who slept in my hand...yawning, twitching and having little eeper dreams....

The thing that really makes me think Caramel's not mink actually is the gray undertone on the legs.  I've never seen a mink with that before.  Mink tends to be a more solid, even coloring, while agouti based colors like cinnamon tend to look like a combination of several shades that get lighter or darker on various places on the rat.

Here is a picture of my cinnamon Fenn to show what I mean:


She's a very red cinnamon, but you can see that really pretty light gray showing through in her shoulder/leg area.  Her whole tummy fades to gray (she's got white berky markings over that, which are hard to see, but they're there).  You can also see that her hairs are made up of not one color hair but light hairs, dark hairs, and everything in between.

Here's another picture of my two cinnamon girlies together, both displaying that agouti fade-to-gray effect:


My mink girl Cinder, however, did *not* have that fade-to-gray.


Nice even coloring all the way down to her white stockings.

And my agouti girl, Chinchilla, did have it:


I always found that the easiest way to spot agouti based colors

chaa, I just don't understand why the thought of her being a hybrid is even in question. It sounds like normal dog behaviors to me. I did not mean to imply anyone was caring for the dog inadequately, but I guess I just don't understand WHY this person thinks she's part coyote. If she was a stray for any length of time she'd have to learn to catch some small animals and eat them to stay alive unless there was an adequate supply of roadkill/trash. She doesn't even look coyote hybrid to me. Beagle/GSD looks to be the primary mix. I know of one couple (the people we boarded our horses with) that really did have a coyote mix and the dog acted completely like a well socialized dog (was a stray they found) so behavior really doesn't play a huge part in determining if an animal is a hybrid from what I've seen.

I'll check out the puppy pads. Is there any particular brand of triple antibiotic ointment I should be looking for?

I'll have to wait to ask about the Tritop, he (the Vet) won't discuss what types of medicine are available until he's examined Ivy.

my girls won't eat anything new till I at least put it in my mouth first 

Not so good when its meds. . . . . 

haha, made me lol

My rats won't eat these weird treats I got them. I don't really mind, I only got them because they were cheap, and because my rats don't seem to chew their wooden chews at all (these treats are hard, to help wear down teeth). My friend Moghedian's rats might be getting some new treats, 
Or raisins. They hate raisins. They don't get excited about peanuts, but I think they eventually eat them (or throw them out of their cage, where they fall under something, because I've never found them in the cage).

I really don't know what to do. I have my son, who is 3 years old (a brat to animals) I used to have a different cage for my two rats and he was ABLE to get them out of the cage when I wasn't paying attention. Well I got an FN 142 and well..he can still mess with the rats. He can't open it, but he likes to scream at them and slam on the bars, and just...be loud. And my rats are still a lil timid. My cage is in the living room so they can have the most attention since I'm always in teh living room. But I'm thinking of moving them into my room even though my room is full enough, I have no idea where I would even put the cage if I needed too.

What should I do? I constantly remind my son to eb nice and they don't like loud noises but he doesn't listen. Its just me and him so when I use the rest room or shower he bothers them even more. They are safe, I doubt he'd hurt them, but I rarely take them out of the cage for free time (only after hes gone to bed) cuz he is just over demanding and a lil aggressive.

Any ideas?

thanks

certainly animals are better behaved.

So true. Amen to that.