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Question: Do you consider a pets well-being the same as a human child.
Yes. I also have no human children. - 53 (67.9%)
Yes. And I have human children. - 8 (10.3%)
No. I also have no human children. - 11 (14.1%)
No. I have human  children. - 6 (7.7%)
Total Voters: 67

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« on: January 07, 2004, 01:48:25 PM »

I began thinking about this when I read part of a post where someone said that their pets were as important to them as a human child would be.

It made me wonder how many people who agree with this also have "Human" children.  I'm interested in seeing how the opinion differs between those with and without "human" children.  
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2004, 01:54:19 PM »

To me all of my pets are a part of my family and being a part of that family they deserve just the same amount of care and love that ANYONE else in the family would get, reguardless of if it were a child, parent, aunt, uncle, etc... The thing is that they are living beings with feelings and I believe that they have the ability to love and deserve to be loved and cherished in the same way.

I think it also has to do with priorities.  If I had a dog who did some kind of event, like those agility courses and I had a child who was in a play, I would go see my child at  the play.  
Also, if my child became ill and required all of my attention, in all fairness to the pet, I would find it a new home if I could no longer provide it with what it needed to have a happy healthy life.

I don't know if my opinions will change when I have a child, but for right now, they deserve the world from me for being my best friends.  Heart
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2004, 02:10:08 PM »

I voted not as important as a child.  I have no children yet, but I hope to be a mommy someday.

In ordinary circumstances, I would consider my pet as important as my child.  However, if I could only save my child or a pet from a fire, I am sure I would pick my child.  I only hope I am never in a situation where I have to pick.  I adore my pets.  I would never forgive myself if I was forced to choose, even if I had no control over the situation.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2004, 02:12:54 PM »

I voted on the same principle as Judith.  While my animals mean very much to me and I'd hate to see something bad happen to them, if I were in a position where I could only save them or my son, I'd save my son without a thought.  That's not to say I wouldn't regret it after, but lets hope I'm never faced with that problem.

Now if it were between the animals and the hubby, I'd take the animals.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2004, 02:15:53 PM »

I don't have children, but I do think my pets lives are as important as a human's. I love my animals just as much as I love my parents or my grandparents or my brother. If I had to choose between them, I can see myself choosing the pets.. because their love is unconditional, while a human's love is always conditional (it's human nature).

To me, my pets ARE my children, so of course they're as important. I love them just the same (many parents don't buy this, but I know in my heart that I do love them just as much, and it makes me very very angry to be told otherwise because I "just don't understand").  Roll Eyes

When my animals are all I think about every waking moment, when I put their well-being before my own or my biological family's, when all of my money and time and energy goes toward their happiness, and all that matters to me is to know they are living happy, healthy, fulfilled lives.. I know these are my kids.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2004, 02:22:48 PM »

Im with SADCAT on this one.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2004, 02:26:15 PM »

Im with SADCAT on this one.
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I don't understand getting mad at someone cause they have a different viewpoint as me.  That's just stupid.  

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2004, 02:30:14 PM »

I'm with SADCAT also. They are my babies and in this household I am mommy and Jeremy is daddy.

Jeremy agrees also until it comes to financial.  He draws the line there, but in the end I think I'd win.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2004, 02:42:28 PM »

We only have animals, and they are our children.  (We're "mommy" & "daddy" "oh, that mean daddy yelled at you, didn't he?  He's a ****head, isn't he?  yes, yes he is...")  Once we have human children (or start popping out brats, as my oh-so-romantic husband says), though, I would think in a situation where I was forced to choose one or the other I would choose human child.  The choice would probably be instinctual - preservation of the species and all that jazz.

If somebody wants to have "fur kids" (pets for children) or love their pets as much as or more than their human children, providing they're actually caring for all the "kids" whether furred or not, that's none of my business, quite frankly.  Doesn't affect my life, so no reason to get my knickers knotted.      
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 03:22:04 PM »

If the question means would I do everything in my power to keep my pet healthy and happy - then definately.  Who wouldn't? Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2004, 03:43:04 PM »

Just as important. We have no human kids, and don't want any. Our ratties, piggers, doggies, bunny and hamsters fill our lives enough.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2004, 03:46:41 PM »

I don't have children and don't expect to.  I think that I don't want them.  (that sounds back to front, but it is what I mean)

People at work joke that if I did have children they reckon I'd take more notice of and spend more time with my pets than with human children, who'd have to beg me to remember them!
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2004, 03:47:45 PM »

sadcat, mark the day Smiley i completely agree. and like kmw, i am bowies mommy. i would give heaven and earth to make my dog healthy, and keep nixon with me, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2004, 03:52:43 PM »

i would give heaven and earth to make my dog healthy, and keep nixon with me, etc.

Although I would save a child over a pet when presented with a choice...I do put my animals' well being over my own.  That's a distinction I would like to make.  For example, my pets are going to eat food that's good for them, even if I have to eat Ramen for a month to make that happen.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2004, 04:05:37 PM »

I love my rats a lot, and sacrifice enough for them that "normal", no-pet people think I'm absolutely insane. But in this community I fall on the conservative end of the spectrum. Though I don't have children of my own yet, I know that I would love my human children more than I can even imagine, far more than I love my pets. Somehow I just know this to be true with every part of my being.

If I had human children, I'd give up anything for them, including my life. I love my animal companions very much, but for me, there is a greater depth of love waiting to be tapped by human babies.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2004, 04:06:07 PM »

I completely understand what everyones saying.  But I'm not saying that I don't love my pets or value their lives.  I don't really think of them as my children, however, they're my friends and my best at that (a bit closer than that, but can't think of another word - I'm sorry, but I wouldn't take my 'real' friend to the hospital to pay to fix her broken leg, she's on her own there).  

I never wanted kids and I sure as heck don't want anymore.  But I /do/ have one and I would give up anything to keep him from harm, whether that be an animal, a husband, or my own life.  He means more to me than my own self preservation.  I would do anything to keep my animals healthy and happy, I adore my pets, but my son is worth just a bit more to me.  So if it makes me a bad person to say that my animals don't mean as much to me as my son, then I guess I'm a bad person.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2004, 04:10:13 PM »

I wouldn't take my 'real' friend to the hospital to pay to fix her broken leg, she's on her own there.

Really? If one of my friends broke her leg and couldn't afford treatment but I could, I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.

But I do understand what you mean, I think (as I posted above) and I don't think your a bad person, just as I don't think people who love their rats as much or more than they'd love human children are bad. We all just have different connections that are the most meaningful to us.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2004, 04:14:44 PM »

I do put my animals' well being over my own.  
I completely agree. I remember having a conversation with a previous vet about flea-prevention/removal products and he didn't seem to be able to comprehend when I said it was more important to me what product was safe for the pets than what was 'best for me'.  I tried to say "I have a choice about using this, they don't get a say, so I have to do what's best for them" but I could see it going **whoosh** right over his head.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2004, 04:20:32 PM »

I totaly agree with SADCAT. I voted Yes. I also have no human children.
All of my pets are as important as another human's life to me.
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2004, 04:46:51 PM »

I have no children and I'm not planning on having any. I can't really respond to whether or not my animals are more important to me than children, since I'm not a mom.

I can say that I've gone without things so I can take care of my animals properly. My animals did not choose to be with me. I made that choice for them, so I must also make other choices for them, choices that give them the best health and the most happiness possible. Anything less is unacceptable.

But I do have to say how necessary it is to take care of myself first. If I don't take care of myself, I am hardly able to take care of my animals properly. Let's just say I learned that lesson the hard way.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2004, 04:49:22 PM »

I have no human children. I don't know if I could ever love them as much as my rats. I'm weird that way, but my rats mean everything to me. I told my husband that I could not live without them. There is no way for me to be happy without my rats. We call our rats our babies. All of them are rescues (thus so very grateful), my darling Dante is my very first rat and I just love to be cuddled my them.
I worked a lot with children, I get along great with teenagers, but whether I want some of my own is a different story. Right now, there is nothing and nobody who could make me happier than those rattie eyes looking at me and telling me how much they love me.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2004, 05:03:21 PM »

Don't have any human children and, I like animals better than people in general. There is no such thing as an animal who is mean. Hungry, but not mean. ( I don't mean like every single animal, but animals in general.)
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2004, 05:49:57 PM »

I have no children. I don't like them one bit.

I do every thing in my power to make sure my rats have the best and most natural life possible, and I often go without so they can have something. I love them with all my heart and I feel what I imagine is very similar to the love felt between mother and child. I love them more than words can say.

BUT

If it were their life or my mothers, I'd pick my mum. Obviously it wouldn't be a nice decision to make but it would have to be my mum. It's just human nature, and in a way probably comes down to self preservation a lot. I know that I need my mum's love and support to get on well in life. My mum will, hopefully, be here in 30 years time and no doubt Ill still be going to her for help and advice.
All my rats are going to be dead in 3 years regardless. Before anyone says it, it doesn't make their lives worth less just because they live short lives. But from a survival perspective, and ALL humans have the deep seeded instinct to survive, having my mother around is more beneficial than having a rat around.
My mum is completely irreplaceable. You can also say that of your pets, of course, but it's not the same thing, as demonstrated by the fact that we are constantly going out and getting new rats or dogs or cats in the place of ones we've lost. Of course we never forget or stop loving the ones who've died, but we're usually ready to get another one not long after. We know we'll get just as much love from a new rat as we did from our old ones. We can't just go out and get ourselves another mother or family member. This in no way means I don't love my rats every inch as much as anyone else, just that Im being realistic with myself here. I'd love to say I'd choose my rats over a family member but I think that if Im honest, thats not true.
I also think ensie is very right in saying that those of us without kids probably shouldn't comment since you don't know the love you can feel untill you're holding your own baby in your arms (or so my mum always says when she's trying to tell me that I WILL like kids one day)

However, having said that, if it were my rat's life, or the life of a complete and utter stranger, the decision would be different. I may well pick my pet over a stranger.  I prefer animals to people immensely. I have strong bonds with my mother and immediate family, but feel nothing towards a stranger in the street. I give to animal charities, but not to human ones. I help out at an animal shelter, but never do anything exceptional to help disadvantaged people. I don't know why that is.

But I do believe animals deserve the same protection as children. It should not be as acceptable as it currently is to beat, starve, mutilate and mistreat your animals. If you can be locked away for doing it to a child, you should be locked away for doing it to your pet.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2004, 06:01:02 PM »

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But I do believe animals deserve the same protection as children. It should not be as acceptable as it currently is to beat, starve, mutilate and mistreat your animals. If you can be locked away for doing it to a child, you should be locked away for doing it to your pet.
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I totally agree with you there.
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