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« on: March 04, 2008, 03:38:06 PM »

My friends found 3 baby rabbits outback. No idea how old but they are very tiny and wobbly so maybe a week or two. Honestly I don't know. Anyways, they look healthy to my untrained eye. Not knowing anything bout rabbits. Anyways. I don't know what they are feeding them so just to be safe I need to know how to keep these three bunnies alive until we can take them somewhere. I have to go to work so that's why I can't research. Life stories experiances for when I get back from work tonight. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 03:43:25 PM »

Do they know for sure the momma is hurt? We've had bunny litters in the backyard before and never saw the momma but knew she was there. Your friends really shouldn't move the bunnies unless they're in some sort of danger.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2008, 04:04:54 PM »

I'd leave them alone unless there's a sure sign the mother is dead.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 04:09:26 PM »

Rabbits nurse their young only once a day, generally at night.  For most of the time wild rabbits are absent from the nest to avoid drawing predators to the babies. It's very likely that she's around, but you're never going to see her. I say definitely leave them be. Enjoy the cuteness though! 
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2008, 04:10:21 PM »

How long have they had them? If it is less than 24 hours, put them back. The mother will NOT abandon them because they were touched by humans; that is an old wive's tale.

Nicholem is right - they should be put back to where they found them. You will not see the mom at all; she only comes back early morning & in the evening to feed them - they will otherwise be left alone. The reason is, momma doesn't want to call attention to them.

Baby cottontail rabbits are *very* hard to raise. They need their mom's colostrum when they are this young, so even if they are getting food into them, the food doesn't give them the antibodies they need. It's not fair to take them, and when they don't make it feel the person feels they at least tried. The best way to try is to leave them for their mom to take care of.

If you do not see any injuries on them, please tell them to put them back. Even if there are cats/dogs/children around - they need to be with their mother.
Their is a high mortality rate even under the best of circumstances; being handraised by humans should be an absolute last resort, if mom is KNOWN to be killed.

If they want to be sure mom is coming back, tell them to put the babies back. Take 2 pieces of string and cross them into an "x". Check in the morning. If mom has come back, the string will be moved.

Only if the babies are cold, or weak & lethargic should they be taken. I've had so many times where people swear there was no mom around, and when they bring the babies to me their bellies are full of milk.
Give them a chance with their mom.

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2008, 05:46:00 PM »

I'm kind of the "wild bunny lady" here on Long Island; Eileen is right.  PUT THEM BACK.  Mom will take care of them.  Even when I HAVE to raise them, because their mom is known to be dead (decapitated by a weedwhacker comes to mind) my success rate, which is relatively high, is still poor and I may lose all of them. 

Find the nest, put them in, and cover them up with grass.  Do the "string thing" like Eileen says.  Then WALK AWAY.  9 times out of 10, mom comes and takes care of them.  They have ABSOLUTELY the best chance with their mother.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 12:36:54 AM »

Ok well I just texted the person and she said someone brought them to my boyfriends mother and they can't put them back because they didn't get them from a nest personally. I think that chance of the mother reunitied is very slim. They don't know the location. Otherwise I'd convince them to go with your advice. I found out they have had them for a week. And they are waddleing around and such. Their eyes were bright and their coat felt healthy.
Yesterday I saw a bag of timothy hay and some bunny food on the table from petsmart and said "who has bunnies?!!?" All excited like, to find out they are wee ones. I just texted her to ask what they feed. They say Carrot baby food (lol how original right?) pellets and timothy hay. For some reason I think a form of milk should be given but I don't know what kind. It's just a feeling. That obviously shouldn't be taken seriously because up until I was 6 I thought they were hatched from eggs due to the easter bunny. LOL  Anyway. So what should they feed. Any info on protein content fat content etc. Any info that'd be great.


And I know I said they found them out back, that was just an assumption and I feel dumb now lol.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 12:56:04 AM »

Tell them to take them to a wildlife rehab.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 01:06:38 AM »

 

I'll try and contact them in the morning. Because I honestly doubt they will. Sheesh. Who's doing the research? Me. Them? I don't think so. Actually they did and all they got was "Oh well if we hand raise them they will become domesticated! But we have to seperate them soon!"

Um. Sure pal.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 05:06:49 AM »

They
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Domesticated.

They just freak out and die at puberty.  Crappy to watch.  Oh, and all the handling they're doing of the bunnies right now to try to make them "tame" is likely killing them.  Bunnies FREEZE when endangered; so everyone thinks "hey, he likes me!  He's sitting in my hand!!!"  Meanwhile, the bunny's heart rate is thru the roof and he's in significant danger of keeling over from a massive heart attack at any moment.  Not kidding; I've seen it happen.

You say their eyes are bright; I guess that means they're open; how much do the babies weigh?  How upright are their ears?  Are their eyes BIG open or look "sleepy?"  I'm trying to determine their age.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~devo0028/contact.htm
Look here for "how to find a wildlife rehabber."

They are not domesticated bunnies; they have very specific dietary issues.  Until fully weaned, they do need a specific formula.  I will not go further with that because there is NO WAY I am going to encourage these people to do anything but get them to a rehabber. 

This is not only cruel, it's illegal.  If any survive, they WILL start biting and they will NEVER tame up.  Bunnies are very simple creatures, they all follow the same pattern.  And then once they start dying and freaking out, they will be dumped on some poor rehabber like me.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 09:10:21 AM »

This is the part of my job that I hate.
And Nancy hit it right on the head:
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And then once they start dying and freaking out, they will be dumped on some poor rehabber like me.
If they have had them a week, it's too late to put them back with their mother. What a shame for the babies, and the mom. Situations like this are not rescues, these babies were unnecessarily taken from their mother before they were weaned.

In the off chance they DO make it, and they really try to keep them, good luck getting them vet care in the future, as vets won't treat wild bunnies because, as Nancy said, it's illegal to keep wildlife as pets.  Vets are not looking to lose their licenses, plus most understand it is wrong.

If they want bunnies, there are thousands of domesticated bunnies sitting around in cages looking for a home. Trying to keep wild bunnies as pets is nothing but selfish.

And please let them know that wild bunnies do not find timothy hay & baby carrot food in the wild, so what they are feeding them is totally wrong already, so they are already off to a bad start.

Anyway. As stated before, try to get them to a rehabilitator.
Just, please, next time,I hope they leave the babies alone.

And baby season begins.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 11:00:57 AM »

Yeah it's sad Sad Hopefully we can find a place to take them. Do you think maybe a wild life zoo could point us in the right direction?  I haven't looked yet because I'm in class now. Geez I hope they make it Sad

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 11:04:23 AM »

Call fish and wildlife.  Call the zoo.  Call the humane society.  Any of which should have appropriate contacts.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 11:28:26 AM »

I don't see where you live,but the link Nancy put might be of some help. The zoos won't take them, it's possible that they might know some rehabbers.

Another thought: get in touch with a local domestic rabbit vet in your area. I know the rabbit vets by us know who we are, so they might be able to point you in the direction of a rabbit rehabber.

Here's a link from the House Rabbit Society to rabbit savvy vets , even internationally:
http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/vet.html
And looky there! It has a thing if rehabbers want to be listed there under the drop-down, so you might find something there.

And MischiefMistress - thanks for trying to help these little ones out, and for reaching out for information to help them.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 11:32:41 AM »

Alright, I've gathered more information on these critters and special organizations to take them. Now that's the easy part. Now I have to convince them they need to be in special care without looking like a jerk.  Undecided
Hopefully they will understand. If not, I don't think there is much else I can do for them.
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 11:41:53 AM »

You're right, and since you're doing all the work I'm afraid you won't be able to convince them, but we can always hope.

It's worth it to say that wild bunnies are hard-wired to be afraid of everything. They should be being handfed every day. I will never forget, a few years ago I was handfeeding a baby bunny at work & there was a loud noise. It had a heart attack and stopped breathing. I somehow was micraculously able to give it CPR and revived it, but that was a long shot. Since then, I am very sensitive to just how freaked out baby rabbits are in captivity.
Every time you pick them up, they think " are you going to kill me now", "are you going to kill me now".....
Good luck, and thanks for trying.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 11:48:46 AM »

I took a phone picture the other day.

It was dark this is the best I ould come up with. They are about palm sized maybe a tennis balls worth of bunny.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 06:24:20 PM »

It looks like you nailed it; 2 weeks old would be my guess.  And when I have them that young YES they still need formula; bones cannot develop correctly without the proper nutrition.

I hope you understand that I am not slamming you; I TOTALLY get that these are not your bunnies, this was not your decision, and you are not the one trying to "tame" these animals.  This is just the type of situation that makes me so sad...................

Please print this all out for them.  Eileen and I are not being dramatic; we see this exact pattern EVERY SINGLE YEAR.  Bunnies reach a point, right around 200 grams, where they are just DONE with people.  I release mine before they get to that point. Gonna guess that the little guys in that picture weigh between 60-80 grams at best.  So that's a few more weeks while they merely TOLERATE handling, while being fed all the wrong foods that they can't really use for good healthy growth, until they suddenly are DONE with this.  Oh, and just for fun, wild bunnies "square off."  What I mean is, one day you will suddenly find them scattered; one in each corner of the hutch.  Now you have run out of time; they must be separated immediately; wild bunnies were never meant to live together and now they want to get away from eachother.  So the killing begins....................

Not exactly the pretty picture folks have during the Easter Bunny season................
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 06:56:17 PM »

wild bunnies were never meant to live together and now they want to get away from eachother. 

I completely agree with everything you have all said about raising wild bunnies, but that piqued my interest - I thought rabbits lived in groups?
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2008, 06:58:06 PM »

wild bunnies were never meant to live together and now they want to get away from eachother. 

I completely agree with everything you have all said about raising wild bunnies, but that piqued my interest - I thought rabbits lived in groups?

Op, ok, just went and answered my own question. Apparently only European rabbits do that.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 12:11:20 AM »

No dice guys. "Oh look it's licking my hand!" While a dog is jumping on the persons leg while she's holding him. It's behavior was like a mouse. Sniffing places turning around looking stretching to see things.
So many things I want to say but at the same time I can't risk them taking it the wrong way. Eep. I hate this junk.  I guess all I can do is hope Sad
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 05:50:05 AM »

Keep us posted.  I know the outcome already.........................

And yes Listentotherain............wild rabbits can live with a bunch on a field, but a rabbit hutch crams them WAAAY too much together.  They need their space.  And Eastern Cottontails do not "warren" up; they are actually territorial and solitary. 

And just a protest from me; I don't agree that this should have been moved to Rabbit Tales.  Due to the need for education of EVERYONE at this time of year, I'm gonna stomp my little footies and requst.............nay demand! that wildlife rehab issues be left in Random Chatter. 

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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 06:10:49 AM »

Now see, exactly my point.  Even the MODS didn't see my response allllllllllll the way down here in the sub basement.  Jeez. 

This is not a PET bunny issue; it isn't a "hey lookit my Gulliver!" topic (I use that example because Eileen knows I LOOOOOOVE the Gully Guy and will not be offended.  I hope.  I'll find out tomorrow at work)

Can we move back to Random?  Canwecanwecanwe huhhuhhuh?
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