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« on: August 12, 2003, 12:45:18 AM »

I've been giving my rats tap water in their water bottles their whole lives without any problems.  However I recently read that the chlorination has caused cancer in rats.  Is this true?  

What about water filtered through a Brita or PUR system?  I could give them that, my Brita faucet thing just needs a new filter and I haven't gotten around to it lately because they cost $20.00.

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2003, 07:33:46 AM »

We have an on-tap water filter, and that's what my rats get,

Personally, if your normal tap water isn't to bad in quality, I'd stick with that. I mean, that's what I drink. If you don't know how good your water is, you can buy a etst kit or call the water people.

I don't know if chlorine causes cancer, but I DO know it is not healthy.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2003, 08:23:07 AM »

Fluoride in the water is also a concern. Sad

My water is city water... it does have a slightly chlorinated taste. So, I choose to run all my drinking water (for the rats and the humans), through a Brita filter.

Some also say that simply leaving it sit will allow much of the chlorination to evaporate. Even keeping a pitcher in the fridge (where I keep my Brita) should help. Smiley

My local supermarket sells replacement Brita filters singly for $7. I don't change it as often as a should, but it does a decent job. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2003, 08:53:05 AM »

Chlorine in drinking water can combine with organic compounds and form THMs, which have been shown to be carcinogenic.  BUT, grilling meats and deep frying potatoes ALSO form carcinogenic compounds, yet I've not seen a wide spread movement for avoiding steak and french fries.  

I don't know if rats are more sensitive than humans with regards to THMs.  Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.  For all compounds in water, EVERY place is different.  Some places treat with UV light or ozone, and use a minimum of chlorine to provide a residual effect to protect against contamination as the water travels to your home.    

Chlorine is a chemical that breaks down quickly, so putting it in a pitcher and letting it sit is effective.  Not all municipalities fluoridate their water, and some places have naturally high levels of flouride and other minerals in their water, so even if you're on a well system, you may still be getting undesirable tastes or odors.  And, finally, if you insist on bottled water - check the label and see where it's bottled.  A lot of that water comes from the same place your water does - a water treatment plant.  It's more hype than health.  
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2003, 01:58:50 PM »

As a rule, I try not to give my animals anything that I couldn't eat/drink (i.e., that's not good for human consumption). If I get filtered water, my animals get filtered water too. Filtered water may or may not be necessary (depending on where you live/your water source), but it can't hurt.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2003, 02:06:59 PM »

I give my rats our tap water because I feel comfortable cooking with and drinking it myself. If I didn't, I'd probably give them filtered water as well.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2003, 02:14:40 PM »

I give mine distilled tap water. I wish I had a filter, it's that much easier, but they are very expensive.  Embarrassed They seem to like the taste of distilled water better. I gave them regular tap water for quite a while, and I watched them drink the distilled stuff. They seem to like it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2003, 02:16:09 PM »

I use a 5 stage RO filter for my rats' water which removes 99.7% of everything.. clorine, flouride, etc.

I had given my rats tap water for YEARS without any issues, and given that I have had a shockingly low incidence of tumors in my rats, I don't know that the chlorine risk itself is something to be exceedingly concerned with.

However, about 8 months ago I had a couple litters of babies who developed black marks on their teeth.  Some research led to this being a zinc deficiency (yes, while most people only think of zinc in reference to poisoning, they can actually have too little!) which was caused by flouride in the water restricting their dietary uptake of zinc, which in turn effected the development of the enamel on their teeth, and could have possible caused some bone problems (I think the timing was just right so this didn't happen though).  It could have been caused by other factors as well, but switching to bottled distilled water and then to the filter solved that problem nicely Smiley

It should also be noted that while tap/pitcher filters do remove a lot of stuff from the water, they do not remove flouride.  If flouride is a concern, then the only option is distilled or getting a filter which specifically states it does remove flouride.  Mine cost about $150ish, and took me about two hours to install all by myself... see.. if *I* can do it, without even the right tools (I used a pair of robogrips, a knife, and a drill) then anyone can Wink



It has a 3 gallon tank, which is more than enough to water all my rats.  Normally I fill up a 1.5 gallon water jug/tap thingie and take it to the rat room, which lasts about two days.

On a side note, I used to not drink water unless it was bottled, because I simply thought tap water was "bad" tasting.  Now I really know just how bad it could be for you.  I drink much more water myself now that we have the filter, and I cook with that water as well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2003, 08:29:12 PM »

And you just install that under the sink?

 Hmm.... I want. Wink

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2003, 08:34:34 PM »

i put in the supreme edition of the pur water filter. hmm, have to check for flouride removal.  but i always use it for the ratties' water.

in fact, and i have no idea if this has any benefit... before i got the super duper sink model, i had a pitcher and since i don't like to throw things away, i fill the pitcher with filtered tap water and let it filter again.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2003, 09:03:32 PM »

Chlorine in drinking water can combine with organic compounds and form THMs, which have been shown to be carcinogenic.  BUT, grilling meats and deep frying potatoes ALSO form carcinogenic compounds, yet I've not seen a wide spread movement for avoiding steak and french fries.  

I don't know if rats are more sensitive than humans with regards to THMs.  Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.  For all compounds in water, EVERY place is different.  Some places treat with UV light or ozone, and use a minimum of chlorine to provide a residual effect to protect against contamination as the water travels to your home.    

Chlorine is a chemical that breaks down quickly, so putting it in a pitcher and letting it sit is effective.  Not all municipalities fluoridate their water, and some places have naturally high levels of flouride and other minerals in their water, so even if you're on a well system, you may still be getting undesirable tastes or odors.  And, finally, if you insist on bottled water - check the label and see where it's bottled.  A lot of that water comes from the same place your water does - a water treatment plant.  It's more hype than health.  


I hope there are not a whole lot of organic compounds in my water.  Yikes!  I'm thinking of dichloromethane, tetrachloroethylene, haha...things you don't want, well pretty much don't want near you unless you are into chemistry.  Neither of those are soluble in water, though.  What are THMs?  Or better yet, what does that stand for?  I'm sure I can figure it out from there...

My water here east of Cleveland is pretty good.  I'm satisfied with it's taste and quality; as a matter of fact I prefer it to filtered water.  I give my rats tap water here.  My aunt has well water, and it's got a real high sulfur and iron content.  It smells like eggs and I won't even drink it myself, let alone let the rat pack have it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2003, 09:04:01 PM »

Lucky our water is pure, natural spring water straight from our OWN water supply! No chemicals WHAT SO EVER! They get all their minerals and vitamins in the water. (no everything but enough)
We recently had our water tested for salt etc...
And it's better then the spring water you get in bottles...

no filters...no having to worry theres something in it.
straight from the tap.

We have an under ground sea!

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2003, 11:16:46 PM »

And you just install that under the sink?

 Hmm.... I want. Wink

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Yeah, it has it's own little faucet above the sink Wink

On a side note though, this thing wastes about 4x more water than what ends up in the tank, so if that is a concern, it might not be the best solution.  However, with average use it's not any worse than flushing the toilet a few extra times a day.. which anyone with a two year old knows happens all too often Wink
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2003, 07:54:21 AM »

Chlorine in drinking water can combine with organic compounds and form THMs, which have been shown to be carcinogenic.  BUT, grilling meats and deep frying potatoes ALSO form carcinogenic compounds, yet I've not seen a wide spread movement for avoiding steak and french fries.  

I don't know if rats are more sensitive than humans with regards to THMs.  Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.  For all compounds in water, EVERY place is different.  Some places treat with UV light or ozone, and use a minimum of chlorine to provide a residual effect to protect against contamination as the water travels to your home.    

Chlorine is a chemical that breaks down quickly, so putting it in a pitcher and letting it sit is effective.  Not all municipalities fluoridate their water, and some places have naturally high levels of flouride and other minerals in their water, so even if you're on a well system, you may still be getting undesirable tastes or odors.  And, finally, if you insist on bottled water - check the label and see where it's bottled.  A lot of that water comes from the same place your water does - a water treatment plant.  It's more hype than health.  

I hope there are not a whole lot of organic compounds in my water.  Yikes!  I'm thinking of dichloromethane, tetrachloroethylene, haha...things you don't want, well pretty much don't want near you unless you are into chemistry.  Neither of those are soluble in water, though.  What are THMs?  Or better yet, what does that stand for?  I'm sure I can figure it out from there...


THM stands for trihalomethane.  And, I should have said "combine with natural organic compounds."

* kmw mutters about chemistry dorks.....  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2003, 05:22:46 PM »

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THM stands for trihalomethane.  And, I should have said "combine with natural organic compounds."

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lol sorry.  I asked my dad about THMs, and he didn't know what they were either.  He left me a voicemail this morning about it, with a kind of funny response.  What do you do for a living?  Do you work for the EPA?
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2003, 05:32:17 PM »

My rats no longer get tap water. Our local news station did a water test including regular tap water, Brita filtered water, and PUR filtered water. The test results were sickening and shocking. The test results for the regular tap water had bacteria from feces in it along with other 30 letter long bacteria names.

I didn't like the results, so...now my rats (and the cats) get bottled water from the store. They seem to like it even more, because it is ice cold when its refreshed.  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2003, 06:19:38 PM »

I usually have distilled water on hand for my humidifier, so it's no big deal to fill their water bottle with that.  I figure with their freaky little cancer-prone bodies, they need every chance they can get.  And it's not like they drink a lot either. I used to use tap water, and I'd occasionally end up with some weird smell, even if I cleaned the hell out of the bottle at every refill. With the distilled water, I don't have that problem.

Me, I drink tap water.  I'm hardcore like that.  I also pull the tags off my mattress, and drink milk after the date stamped on the carton. Oooohhh....
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2003, 04:27:26 AM »

we get bottled water from a company in town - they deliver several five gallon.. er.. bottles of it to us every month. Dog, gerbils, and rats all get it. Smiley They've already got a small body mass and are prone to certain types of things.. so I don't thinking giving them filtered water is overkill.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2003, 07:48:13 AM »

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lol sorry.  I asked my dad about THMs, and he didn't know what they were either.  He left me a voicemail this morning about it, with a kind of funny response.  What do you do for a living?  Do you work for the EPA?

I wish I did!  Nothing like retiring with a government pension after 20 years!  Smiley  I'm an Environmental Engineer.  My whole job is designing water and wastewater systems.  My focus was on Water Treatment and Surface Water Quality (oh, and partying) while I was in college.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2003, 01:45:57 PM »

I thought I'd post this, since it is rather important.  Smiley

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One source of toxins that?s often overlooked is tap water. If your tap water is chlorinated or fluorinated, do not give it to your rats. These elements are toxic. (There is evidence that chlorinated water raises the risk of miscarriage in women in the first trimester!) Instead give them bottled water, but investigate the quality of the brand you choose. Some bottled waters are nothing more than tap water!

Even if your tap water comes from a well, lead leaches into the water from some pipes and all faucets. To reduce the amount of lead, run the water for a while, preferable until it becomes cold, which means it?s coming straight from the well, before filling your rats? water bottles. Never use hot water from the tap for cooking or drinking because hot water contains more lead.

I'm glad my rats don't get tap water!!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2003, 03:02:00 PM »

I thought I'd post this, since it is rather important.  Smiley

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One source of toxins that?s often overlooked is tap water. If your tap water is chlorinated or fluorinated, do not give it to your rats. These elements are toxic. (There is evidence that chlorinated water raises the risk of miscarriage in women in the first trimester!) Instead give them bottled water, but investigate the quality of the brand you choose. Some bottled waters are nothing more than tap water!

Even if your tap water comes from a well, lead leaches into the water from some pipes and all faucets. To reduce the amount of lead, run the water for a while, preferable until it becomes cold, which means it?s coming straight from the well, before filling your rats? water bottles. Never use hot water from the tap for cooking or drinking because hot water contains more lead.

I'm glad my rats don't get tap water!!!

Can you post where you got the quote from?  And, lead does not leach into water from all faucets - only those that are made from alloy material such as brass.  
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2003, 03:43:21 PM »

WOW, Debbie making a mistake/telling bad information. I didn't think that was possible.  Shocked 2  Roll Eyes

I got it from here: http://www.ratfanclub.org/diet.html

*It's down towards the bottom of the page.
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