i am going to be getting 2 rats soon (as most places say to not just get 1)... would a 20gallon fish tank work good for them for right now untill i can get a proper cage for them? (from what i have heard a 10gallon would work but i think thats a little small).. help me out here

currently i dont realy feel like getting a cage
i will probaly be getting the rats tomorow and the 20gallon tank thursday or friday ...
they are babys.. but i wont be breeding them so it will always be only 2 of them
i may get a cage later on but im asking what you think of the 20gallon tank for right now

It sounds like a 20-gal would be good for the two babies at the moment (we're talking same-sex babies here, right?).  Also, you might be interested in this link which has some dimensions (in volume recommended per rat) for rat homes on it.  There used to be a "cage calculator" somewhere on the site, too--if you look around the whole site you'll find a great deal of useful info.

http://www.ratfanclub.org/cages.html

Good luck with the new kids!  Enjoy!  Do you intend to get boys or girls?

I agree on all counts.

Well I doubt Martin is going to visit you anytime soon, but if you still want a good cage you should order one of his. Am I the only one who didn't understand the jazzland part?  

Martin's Cages (family name, not a guy named Martin) is mail-order only. So there's NO chance of them coming to your town. Personally, I think they are totally worth every penny.

We're giving you the best advice we can, based on YEARS of collective experience and product testing by our 300 members. Sorry it's not good enough.  

Ididn't even think about the cage and the aquarium being close in price!  Of course you guys are right.

radzer0, the companies will come to you!  Many people on this forum buy their cages online; the cages are then shipped to you, and you assemble it at home (Joe had a good tip about putting one together with zip-ties first so that if you get it wrong, you can just cut them off and restart).  (Hey--how about twist ties?)

Try this link:

http://www.martinscages.com

i dont want to screw around with money orders (takes way too f***in long) and i dont have a creditcard as i said earlier.. i know they come to me but they aint instant.. and i will post the picture of how my computer case came to me thru ups
i had to bend it back into shape to use it (it looked like they ran it over with the truck)
thats why i dont order stuff online much

Sorry you had a bad experience, but Martin's are shipped quite nicely, and if they do get damaged by chance, they will replace it. They are a very reputable company -- the best, in my opinion.

If you can't or won't order one through the mail, then PLEASE just go to the store and look for a coated wire cage.

I couldn't agree more. They are a very small, VERY excellent family-owned company that can only afford one facility. Their operation works flawlessly -- they are fast, efficient, and very personal. I have never heard anyone so critical of them without even ordering from them.

To be honest, I am done with this thread...

Asterisks or not, watch your language, please. We have kids here.

suebee.. if you would see the stuff ive went through with ups u will know why the ***'s .. i may later on get another cage but for now im just going to have to go localy

That is fine that you are unhappy with UPS.  Martin's ships using Fed Ex.  Get a feel for what kind of cage you want and the money you are willing to spend.  Keeping in mind that petstore cages will be more expensive, and can be lesser quality.  

I have a suggestion.  I just got a really good cage for my rat, it's  a wire cage that comes apart (god since I move every fall and spring) and the litter pan can be easily placed in the cage so that makes cleaning a little easier for me and I just don't want my rat to be running around on wire. It's called a perfect pet home, and it's sold at Kmart, I got it for 28 but it was 40 cause their going out of buissness. It's a good travel cage for me and I can put levels on it because it is tall. Bit I agree spend money on the cage and not the temporary one, it's well worth it.

if you people want to keep getting smart about ordering cages
why dont u order me the cage
when i get it  i will send you the moneyorder
that way i dont have to wait months for usps to get the moneyorder there than for it to get shipped than to here