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Author Topic: wild rat impregnates Lily the hooded rat- 10 babies born friday!  (Read 5390 times)
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« on: October 25, 2003, 08:05:42 PM »

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We have three girl hooded rats. Lily Rat has gone runabout under the house about four times. She stays away for 24 hours at a time. Now there is a wild male rat hanging around their cage. ( he is in love, or lust). I am sure Lilly is pregnant! We are delighted, but had always intended for her boyfriend to be a show rat, not a gypsy, wild rat. The pet store said that they would sell any baby rats we had. My question is, will the babies be pet rats? or wild rats? Will the pet store want her babies. There are no snakes in New Zealand (where we live) so the babies will go as pets, not food. Any good advice welcome. We have never had baby rats. I can't wait. marc
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2003, 08:45:05 PM »

There's a wild rat IN your house, hanging about your cages??  Shouldn't you be seriously concerned about diseases and contamination?  I just don't know what to say to this happening.  I go nuts trying to keep the wild rodents out of my house because of disease and damage, so I would not be thrilled with this situation at all.  Maybe you should consult a good vet and see if there are any concerns you need to address during her pregnancy.  
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2003, 09:11:50 PM »

Wow.  I pray she doesn't get sick or anything.  
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2003, 09:14:19 PM »

Tunes is right. Good advice.....talk to the vet to see what may need to be done while the female is pregnant. Possibly a way to avoid the high chances of some type of infection.
Not every rat or mouse (wild that is) carries disease. We all have reason to be worried though. I mean look we get a new fancy rat and quarantine it before introducing it to our other rats so its kind of scary that a wild rat is hanging around. How long have you known this? Hopefully it has been around a while so you can rule out the chance it passed around any kind of disease.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2003, 09:38:31 PM »

I would NOT recommend giving the babies to the pet store  Undecided NOT a good idea!  There is always the chance they'll be bought for feeders, and you never know the people taking the babies, so you wont know if it's a good home or not. Plus, these rats may be 1/2 wild, which would probably make them more skittish/agressive than a normal domestic rat.  I'd want to be sure they were going to a great home if that's the case, and I can guarantee you wont get that by using the pet store.

Also, I agree with the others. Take her to the vet right away...Who knows what diseases she could have!  I'd suggest keeping her away from the other rats, just in case she does have something.  I'd also suggest you find a way to keep your rat inside to prevent this from happening again.

Please check the refrence desk, it has heaps of information about caring for pregnant rats/babies.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2003, 10:49:40 AM »

All very good advice, i suggest you take it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2003, 01:39:16 PM »

Wow, this is troubling.

The babies will be half wild rats, and their instincts may not make them good pets. Its' a bad situation. I would not give them away or sell them to anyone, unless an experienced rat person (adult) was willing to take them as rescue rats.

Certainly do not give them to the petstore. Any petstore that would sell rats that were part "wild rat" has a serious problem (and I think the dept of health would agree).  there should be no risk that these will be bought by a child wanting a pet.

Do ***not*** let wild rats near your pet rats -- they carry disease. It's bad news all the way 'round.Sad
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2003, 03:40:12 PM »

check out the article on rat reproduction on the rat fan club site. It'll be helpful.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2003, 08:10:57 PM »

You guys, 1/2 wild rats raised in captivity will NOT act aggressive as if they were born and raised in the wild, then suddenly caged. People here have or have had 1/2 wild babies before and they say they are even sweeter than domestic ones. It's all in the way you raise them. I hope you have a good vet, that does not reccommend aborting the babies because they're father is a wild rat. That isn't neccessary. I also suggest you find homes yourself, do not take them to a pet store. Unsuspecting people may not understand certain behaviors or the looks of them (they may look a bit strange to people used to pet rats). I suggest you secure the cage and use a live trap to catch the male and relocate him far away.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2003, 11:48:58 PM »

Cracker and Jack are part wild rat. They look very much like our pet ratties except for their snouts and something.........about their eyes. They only like each other.  They go INSANE around other rats and become so aggressive that they end up in bad moods with each other.  They do however love me and love each other but thats it. They do not trust anyone. They are jumpy.  As I said before they have these high pitch squeaks that set off my security alarm the other night during a fight. They dont fight much with each other now that they are over one years old.  They do not bite anyone though. They simply run away from others.  They will take treats from people they do not know but wont eat them right away. They bury them and take sample bites to make sure its OK first.  Same with new foods. This is all natural instinct of a wild rat to make sure they are not being poisioned.
I read all about this and it all hit home when it comes to describing a wild rat and my two boys. I will have to post their pictures so you can see the difference in the way they look.  They do not like to be held. They do not brux outside of their cage. They sniff and smell me like crazy when I touch them after touching other ratties and puff out for no reason! LOL
They also HISS.  My other rats breathe hard when angry but never hiss. These two boys do and its not a nice sound. Not sure if this is a normal trait of a fancy domestic rat or not but out of 21 rats the only two that hiss are my mixed.
Anyhow I would say that it would not be a good idea to give away the babies if indeed they had wild rat in them unless the new owner understand the differences that MIGHT appear in their personalities.
When I adopted out the two rescue girls babies to Sanitisplayground, I kept the ones that were not real social basically because I did not want them to go to a new home and be even more introverted.  They have come out of their shell alot more since they are divided up and I can give them alot of attention.  I gave away the babies that were more outgoing and friendly.

There you have it.........a briefing on mixed rats.  I know that there are others on this board that have them too that can tell you that there may or may not be noticeable differences in them.  I see it with my two boys and really didnt notice when I first got them when they were typical hyper baby boys.  They were way too young when I got them (just 5 weeks old) and I was mad they were taken from their mom so young........and thought that is why they were so aggressive.  It wasnt until later on when I talked to the owner of the pet store that I found out that my new babies were part wild rat.  In fact only four babies survived that litter.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2003, 01:20:33 AM »

They also HISS.  My other rats breath hard when angry but never hiss. These two boys do and its not a nice sound. Not sure if this is a normal trait of a fancy domestic rat or not but out of 21 rats the only two that hiss are my mixed.

Perhaps this is why domestic rats are terrified of hissing noises. At least all the ones I've ever met have been.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2003, 06:18:31 AM »

I never noticed with the other rats if hissing sounds scare them. Sudden noises of any kind scare them if everything is real calm but if its all chaotic nothing startles them!!

The hissing sound is bizarre and it means a very angry rat when you hear it. I usually take one out and put him in their spare play-time out cage for an hour to let them get out of their bad moods.
Like I said the older they get the less aggressive they seem.
I have an old sheet on the top of the cage and they LOVE to pull it in and make all kinds of little cozy corners to hide in. They are very unique rats.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2003, 05:19:34 PM »

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I am sure Lilly is pregnant! We are delighted

I wouldn't be delighted.........
The same thing happened to me and the poor babies, well they are about 6 months now are always frightened although I did everything to socialise them.......

It's so not fair on them!  Don't give them to a pet store, they will be terrified!  
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2003, 06:19:48 PM »

I thought wild rats couldnt breed with domesicated rats.  Doesnt the female have a miscariage.  Or the babies are still born.  Thats what I always heard.
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2003, 06:59:48 PM »

I thought wild rats couldnt breed with domesicated rats.  Doesnt the female have a miscariage.  Or the babies are still born.  Thats what I always heard.

Er, why would domestic rats be unable to breed with wild rats? They are the same species....

Heather - please remember, temperament is VERY heriditary. You could end up with friendly babies, you could not.
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2003, 07:01:11 PM »

Hi again
Thank you so much for all your good feed back. We live in the country, so the father rat is not a sewer rat. Lily is healthy and definately pregnant. I just hope the babies are healthy and happy.
The idea of getting a live cage and taking the wild rat far away is a good idea. Ever since I had rats for pets, I don't want to kill any rat if I can help it.
A friend's kid left the cage open and that is how Lily got away in the first place. She loved it and kept on running away. I had nighmares of her getting eaten by a cat (they go under the house where she was) Once she wanted to go so bad, I just let her go. I couldn't be her jailer. Now that she is pregnant, she is much more settled. The other rats, Miriam and Poppy have never wanted to go on big adventures, just Lilly. She definately wants these babies. I hope they are pets. My two boys are excited as anything.
I certainly never imagined that this would happen!
It is fantastic to have other people out there who care about rats to talk to. Thank you to all!! marc
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2003, 07:14:44 PM »

They might end up friendly babies, and I certainly hope that they do, but the formula I'd heard was that it takes about 20 generations of breeding in captivity before you can really call an animal domesticated.  Wild animals that have been hand-raised can be very sweet, but they aren't predictably so, especially if/when they're stressed.  These babies should (hopefully) learn to be more friendly and trusting from their mother and their upbringing, but I still wouldn't recommend them as a pet for, say, a young child, or anyone new to rats; it's just the uncertainty.  You can know that they're docile, but you can't guarantee it.

Good luck to you and Lily, either way it turns out...
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2003, 12:49:57 AM »

I thought I posted up above...........I have two males that are half wild rat.

They are FINE with each other.  They love me to death and play and act like normal rats except they are not as trusting with strangers and other little odd things I described.  
It does depend on how YOU raise them making sure you handle them as soon as mom rat allows you to handle them. Each mother rat is different.
Oreo let me touch hers from day one while Charlotte, who never bites, tore me to bloody shreds for weeks even when I went to simply feed her!
She is back to her old sweet self now btw.
Again I want to stress that just because they are part wild will not make them some crazed rat.  There is a chance they will be shy thats all.

My two part wild boys look almost the same except in the snout and ears.......and its even hard to tell unless you really know the difference.

Dont worry ok? It will work out. just do your best to keep all the babies if possible.  
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2003, 08:48:02 AM »

Once she wanted to go so bad, I just let her go. I couldn't be her jailer.

Im not sure if I misread this but does this mean you actively allowed her to run about unsupervised? I would advise you never do this. She could come to much more harm than being impregnated by a wild rat, you're lucky the wild rat didn't kill her. Especially if you've got cats. I hate as much as anyone else the idea that we have to keep animals like rats caged but it is for their safety.
As for the babies, I agree with everyone that you should either keep them all or put a HUGE effort into finding them rat knowledgable homes. Ideally, you should keep them all since you bred them. But whatever you do, do NOT place them in a pet shop, not just because they're half wild. I'd say the same thing if they weren't. You just don't know where they'll end up if you put them in a shop.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2003, 09:39:06 AM »

I read that it was illegal to house wild rats because they can carry so many diseases and are harmful to other pets.

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2003, 04:52:43 PM »

There is always the chance they'll be bought for feeders

You didn't read her post. Wink In New Zealand, there are NO SNAKES...

The other problems with the pet stores - that you don't know who will buy them, for instance - do still stand, though.
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2003, 05:11:19 PM »

Are you not allowed to have pet snakes, then? I would imagine so, but I Googled it and all I found was travel info (that made me want to go there).

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2003, 07:07:47 PM »

Heather - please remember, temperament is VERY heriditary. You could end up with friendly babies, you could not.

I understand this, but also remember that the babies are half DOMESTIC too. While certain instincts will stay with the babies, if raised properly, handled from birth and time spent socializing them, I see no reason why the babies couldn't be made into loving, trusting animals. I would work with them if I were closer, but I'm in the United States. Since the mother is domestic, I'm sure the babies will take to her attitude towards people. Young ones tend to follow their mother's behaviors.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2003, 07:52:46 PM »

Are you not allowed to have pet snakes, then?

No... because there aren't any in the country... Wink And no, you aren't allowed to import them... they don't want any snakes in there for a reason (wildlife etc) Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2003, 08:22:42 PM »

Hey wow, a kiwi.

Yep, no snakes.  No imports, as they'd have a field day with all of our native flightless birds (much like the wild rats have)...

It's big huge news if a snake sneaks in in a crate that's been imported.  


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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2003, 12:39:45 PM »


It's big huge news if a snake sneaks in in a crate that's been imported.  


Do you all then say "Ooh, it's a snaaaake..."

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2003, 01:52:21 PM »

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We don't have badgers either... Wink
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