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Author Topic: wild rat impregnates Lily the hooded rat- 10 babies born friday!  (Read 5393 times)
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2003, 08:33:41 PM »

There is always the chance they'll be bought for feeders

You didn't read her post. Wink In New Zealand, there are NO SNAKES...

The other problems with the pet stores - that you don't know who will buy them, for instance - do still stand, though.

I didn't know snakes were the only things fed live rodents...I didn't necessarly mean snakes. I read the post, don't worry Wink
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2003, 10:29:35 PM »

...well....we don't really keep reptiles as pets...all of our reptiles are endangered Tongue

What else do people feed rats to?
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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2003, 03:55:35 AM »

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Heather - please remember, temperament is VERY heriditary. You could end up with friendly babies, you could not.

Yes that is very true.

I recently had a litter.
Pet store rat, pregnant in the box, going to be fed to a snake situation.
I never got to know the mother rat and she was very agressive to me because when i got her she was VERY pregnant.
She is still agressive, although 4 weeks later she is doing alittle better. But the mother has taught her babies to bite, well nibble at the moment.
Some don't do it as much as other but as soon as you put your hand in the cage they go straight for the fingers and I have done nothing but socialize them ALL day EVERYDAY and tried to raise them the best I can, I even ended up ignoring my b/f over the rats!

I think that they learn from the mother and if your mother rat is very well behaved then you may have little problems, she will teach them top be sweet rats, but being half wild, there is a good chance they could be agressive.
There is a 50, 50 chance of it going either way or mixing. They could be sweet most of the time and be aggressive everynow and then. Or they could be agressive most of the time and be sweet every now and then.

I suggest you GO FIND recources on caring for a pregnant rat, treating the babies etc. You especially will need to know as much as you can about raising them to become the best of their ability.

Good Luck and for your sake, I hope she isnt preggers.
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2003, 11:05:17 AM »

...well....we don't really keep reptiles as pets...all of our reptiles are endangered Tongue

What else do people feed rats to?

No clue, but I didn't know you didn't keep reptiles of any kind either Smiley.
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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2003, 03:05:33 AM »

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...well....we don't really keep reptiles as pets...all of our reptiles are endangered Tongue

What else do people feed rats to?

Large lizards, like the large types of monitors, and very large frogs, like Budgett's frogs and Argentinian horned frogs. The frogs can't eat adult rats, but they can eat young rats. Also, apparently some idiots (go look in Random Chatter) like to feed their iguanas (who are strict vegetarians!) rats.  Roll Eyes

Also, and this would be a worry of mine if any rats went to pet stores, even in NZ, people train dogs to fight, race, and hunt and kill rats using rats as a lure, e.g. dogfighting, lure coursing, and "ratting".

Hope this is coherent, must sleep.

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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2003, 09:55:53 AM »

Hey! Bella does that huffing noise when my pug goes near her cage. It's honestly, the funniest sight. LOL!!!

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2003, 10:18:24 AM »

Yes they huff and it can look funny but that means the rat is actually scared to death.  I dont like when my ratties huff........I am afraid they will go into shock from being so scared. My friend had a rat die from shock when the cats were allowed to roam around the cages.  
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2003, 10:45:36 AM »

OMFG!  Shocked 2
that means i'm not gonna let the dog near her. Thank you so much for telling me.
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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2003, 10:46:51 AM »

She is still agressive, although 4 weeks later she is doing alittle better. But the mother has taught her babies to bite, well nibble at the moment.
Some don't do it as much as other but as soon as you put your hand in the cage they go straight for the fingers and I have done nothing but socialize them ALL day EVERYDAY and tried to raise them the best I can, I even ended up ignoring my b/f over the rats!

I would think that would be fairly normal behavior for babies, or atleast any babies that I ever raised. I would be more concerned with the babies that didn't immediately come over to my hand and start nibbling my fingers or fingernails. Some of them would chomp down a little hard at first, not deliberately...just out of curiousity, but they would grow out of it. Once baby rats realize they've got teeth and a whole world outside of the nest they were raised in, all they seem to want to do is taste-test and nibble on everything.

Granted, I realize a pet shop rat is still different from a wild rat as far as personality, but I had a pet shop girl who delivered a few days after I got her. She wasn't friendly then, didn't have a chance to get to know me before she delivered...and even 2 years later when she died, she was a friendly girl but never really got used to being pet or picked up. But her babies were a delight...they grew into nosy, happy, friendly adults that didn't show any of their mother's caution or nervousness.
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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2003, 12:46:49 PM »

I hate to be a party pooper, but if I was in your situation I would abort and spay.   There are so many sweet and friendly rats that really need homes that it seems like it's best not to bring more possibly-hard-to-socialize-rats  into this world if you can help it.   Plus there is always a risk to the mother's health during delivery.

And I would try to catch the wild rat and have him neutered, too.   If they really are Romeo and Juliet you can keep him in a separate cage instead of subjecting him to relocation to a strange territory.   I always think their chances are so slim when you do that.     I know someone who rescued a relatively older wild rat that seemed okay with the cage, so it's not necessarily cruel to cage a wild one.  

As long as the girls are unspayed they will attract the wild boys.  Where there's one there have to be more.   And wild rats can give your pets and you parasites.   So you may have to take steps to rid the house of them.


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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2003, 04:17:42 PM »

"As long as the girls are unspayed they will attract the wild boys.  Where there's one there have to be more.  And wild rats can give your pets and you parasites.  So you may have to take steps to rid the house of them."

wow like with human men to....lol
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2003, 06:15:16 PM »

Hi all
Lily had 10 or eleven babies on Friday afternoon. The wild father was there (at the birth) under the cage, and then crawling up the cage wire, then sitting on a ledge on the outside of the cage. My son and I watched him for about 30 minutes. We were only 10 feet away shining a flashlight on him. He is a very friendly looking rat. He has grey fur that is very puffy and soft looking. He often looked right at us. (he must be a sensitive new age rat!) After he was gone, we discovered that Lily had given birth. I had made a separate nest for Lily. When I opened the cage, Poppy and Miriam zoomed right out- no sign of lily. She was still in her nest with her babies.
She has been great with us. We can put our hands in the nest and pat her. We opened the end of the nest (a wine box) to have a little look at the babies. She then moved them to the other end of the nest. I think she will be a great mum. Not agressive to us people at all. I put Poppy and Miriam in another cage for the time being.
I'll send some photos when the babies look like rats. They are just little pink beans right now. I think that they will be really cute.
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2003, 06:24:16 PM »

I might be reading this wrong but do your rats live outside in their cage or does the wild daddy make his way into your home?  Just curious.
Congrats on your new babies Party
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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2003, 07:15:51 PM »

When you say the dad has grey fur, it's possible he's a domesticated rat, but living in the wild. Can you get a picture of him? In any case, you still need to set out a live trap.
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2003, 07:18:02 PM »

Congrats on the new babies, but be very careful of dad rat.  Momma rats come into heat again within 24 hours after giving birth.  Chances are that he was there to get her pregnant again.  I would really find a way to keep him away from your females.
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« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2003, 06:13:41 AM »

Congrats on your babies.   If your anywhere near me I would consider taking some babies off your hands. I see your in New Zealand so um.....thats pretty far from me!  Shoot!!
I have two half wilds that I adore and they adore me. They are going on two years old now......males.....BIG BOYS at that!


Please try to get that wild rat. Dont let him near them if at all possible.  
The last thing the new mom needs is to get pregnant again so soon. That would be very bad. It is also very possible to happen right away.  Sounds like Dad is already waiting. I doubt he is there to welcome the new offspring.  In fact make sure he cannot get to them at all.

Do they live outside or inside? I think someone asked you that already.  It sounds like you keep them inside and the wild rat is getting in the house somehow??



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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2003, 06:25:19 AM »

the male will probably have a quick hump through the cage wires. I think you should go get that man and take away his man hood all together!
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« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2003, 07:50:49 AM »

I might be reading this wrong but do your rats live outside in their cage or does the wild daddy make his way into your home?  Just curious.
Congrats on your new babies Party

Thanks for asking that question. I was wondering the same thing. It sounds to me as though they are kept outside as well...
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« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2003, 03:37:11 PM »

if you catch the wild rat and he doesn't mind cage life you have to name him Cassanova. Cheeky
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« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2003, 04:41:05 PM »

if you catch the wild rat and he doesn't mind cage life you have to name him Cassanova. Cheeky

Caging a wild animal who doesn't need medical attention is, in my opinion, a rather cruel thing to do. I wouldn't advise it.
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« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2003, 05:30:50 PM »

Hi all
Our rats live inside our house in a cage made out of an old chest of drawers (bottom drawer to catch the poop, other drawers gone. Wire on the front). It is an old 150 year old frame house. The wild rat comes in through a rat hole somewhere. I have heard him banging around in the walls now and then over the last two years- but never worried about it as I'm not afraid of rats and I've never set eyes on him. That is what is so extraordinary- I never see wild rats- they are so private and now I have one sitting in my hallway! I definately need to move him away from my girl rats! I never considered the fact that he could be bonking them through the wire!  That would be a disaster!
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« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2003, 08:59:07 PM »

I dont mean to laugh or anything but......that word BONK.......I must be some old fart or something!!  :huh:  Is that the newest word to say ?  

BONK


It sounds.........PAINFUL!  LMAO

Sorry.......ahem.......I didnt mean to say that. Grin

Yeah I did.......... Cheeky
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« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2003, 09:05:33 PM »

I dont mean to laugh or anything but......that word BONK.......I must be some old fart or something!!  :huh:  Is that the newest word to say ?  

BONK

It's non-American English.
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« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2003, 09:11:51 PM »

if you catch the wild rat and he doesn't mind cage life you have to name him Cassanova. Cheeky

Caging a wild animal who doesn't need medical attention is, in my opinion, a rather cruel thing to do. I wouldn't advise it.
I agree. Catching a wild animal and putting it in a cage would be cruel and absolutely unnecessary in this case. But I would definitely get him away from where your girls are. Altho, your girl got pregnant when she WAS outside the cage right?
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« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2003, 10:57:55 PM »

I dont mean to laugh or anything but......that word BONK.......I must be some old fart or something!!  :huh:  Is that the newest word to say ?  

BONK

It's non-American English.

...sure it's not "boink"?  I've heard of boinking before...
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« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2003, 11:24:11 PM »

No, it's bonk Tongue

We use that term all the time here...
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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2003, 11:42:47 PM »

it was a joke hehe but still should be nammed cassanova.....

why do I keep pictureing lady and teh tramp with rats lol
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« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2003, 06:47:06 AM »

Bonk... LOFL!!!!  Yellow Cute Laugh
I'm sorry, but that's a really funny word to use in a case like this.

Bonk! Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
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« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2003, 04:23:08 PM »

Hi everybody
Last night my twelve year old son caught the wild rat (we call him Jeremy) in an empty travel cage. We just put elastic on the cage door with a prop that had a long string. I put some tuna fish in the cage and waited about one hour. We were watching him with a mirror. After we caught Jeremy we drove him ten miles away and let him lo