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Author Topic: Hairy had complications HELP I AM WORRIED! UPDATE: Hairy is gone :(  (Read 720 times)
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« on: December 11, 2003, 09:09:51 PM »

Fugs was neutered yesterday. I hate how they do the surgery and BOOM SEND THEM HOME in such a short time!  I get nervous when they are so fresh like that!
He stayed till about 4pm.  When I went to get him he seemed like he was hurting.  I picked him up and fresh blood started dripping all over me! I freaked!  I said HEY HEY HEYYYYYY he is bleeding profusely!!
The tech grabbed him and took off. Out comes the doctor saying he may have busted it open ALREADY and needs to be sedated again and stitched up again.  DAMN I KNEW IT!
So I go home.......pace and worry........they call me back and say that he did not open it up but instead it was a skin tear? I guess some animals have some kind of problems with skin tears after surgery I dont know.....someone help me here........so they put this tight bandage on him like a diaper and said they are there till 7:30 so come at that time. I go there and doc is gone. Just secretarys are there. Nice. So no meds at all. No pain meds. No antibiotics. Nothing.  They said he should be able to walk but guess what? He wasnt able to walk in that diaper at all. Poor poor baby. I held him for hours. He was so cold. His tail was freezing.  He drank alot but wont eat much. They said bring him in today to remove the diaper. I slept with him all night (his cage like 1 foot from my face) he squeaked a little bit here and there. I know he hurts. So this morning he has blood all on the gauze. I freak. I raced there yelling again that he is bleeding to death. I am a drama queen for sure.  Well here much to my embarassment he peed and the old blood got wet from the pee and well.......made it look like alot.  LOL
Ok so she says she wants to keep him all day to watch him since she took the bandage off. I say OK but I want him on pain meds and kept warm. The tech held him inside her sweatshirt hoodie jacket while the other tech got a heating pad under the cage they had (tank actually to keep him warmer) and get it ready. All day from 8 till 5 he was there. They said he didnt pick at his incision at all nor did he squeak and said he ate. Well he wont eat for me. He is still in pain. The vet said no pain meds or he will feel better and start running around and cause some damage. Ok sounds about right but I dont like it. He hurts I can tell.  Right now all is good. He is in the sick rattie cage (1 level) and instead of litter I put down a pad and a pillow case and fastened the cage part over it so he cant pull up the pillow case. IN other words I slid the tray into the case. Perfect fit (king size pillow case) so it worked out well. He gets out of his little bed and  pees in the corner. He wasnt sure where to go without having litter in there.
So he is resting. Not eating but did drink for me. I hope he isnt eating only cause he feels sore.  I am going to try nutrical now. He doesnt want babyfood either. Tried that too.  Jingles didnt eat the first few days very well either but he didnt act like he was this sore. Ok. He has think skin maybe cause he is a hairless?
So there is my story. I knew I loved Hairy. Now....with this......I know how much.  Dang I was hoping I didnt love the other remaining rats as much as I did the other boys that left me broken hearted but....I do......I cant stop it nor help it!
Peanut is living in Hairys castle now. I figure he can get his smell in there and hopefully once Hairy feels better they can start over and become roomies. I HOPE! How long till Hairy settles with the aggression? If he does that is.....he isnt MEAN aggressive......he is annoying to Peanut and hyper......popcorning on him......peeing on him.....ramming him with his head......LOL.......peanut HATES him!!  He hides soon as he sees him but doesnt hide from the other boys and they all gang on Peanut. I never took the time to do a real intro with Peanut and the other boys since he is supposed to room with Fugs.......
we will see.

Anything else I can do for him? What if he starts that bleeding? Vet says just apply pressure and make a pressue bandage diaper thingy.

I am scared.  
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2003, 10:08:48 PM »

OMG, I know exactly how you feel. I had Newberry spayed and she bled so bad the vet took her home, nursed her all night, brought her back to work in the morning and opened her back up because the bleeding wouldn't stop. We also had no idea she was a hemophiliac. Newberry healed up, but never really HEALED. She was lethargic after that.. and after about a month she died. Jinn's neuter, my hairless. He was sutured, chewed the sutures, bled from the open incision. I took him to the vet and requested STAPLES be used. What does the vet do? SUTURE him back up. Then she realizes he chews them (like I told them) so she sticks a BODY CAST on him so he can't move anything but his back legs. His front legs stuck way out and they told me to bring him back if they get extremely swollen and stiff! Shocked 2 Anyway, to shorten the story, and my anger with the whole thing, Jinn ended up with a giant abscess, that I had to flush twice a day with betadine. It took 2 weeks to heal up. I guess my point is just watch close for signs of infection. Hairy should REALLY be on some antibiotics. If he bleeds again, pressure is the best, use a soft washcloth or gauze. You should be able to introduce him in about 2 weeks, when all that testosterone and manliness has disappeared for the most part. I tried after about a week with Jinn and he still fought with the boys. I introduced Maurice 2 weeks after he actually healed up and he was fine. Of course, he got an infection and abscess too.. Roll Eyes I have terrible luck with spays and neuters. Never again will I get a rat altered unless it's really neccessary!!
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2003, 12:33:39 AM »

I am very grateful to say *knocks wood repeatedly* that I did not have any problems with any of mine.  I am so sorry that you both did.  

I remember that none of mine were terribly interested in eating right at first, but they were eating a little bit by evening and by morning were eating normally.  I did offer yogurt on a spoon, just because in surgery you lose fluids, so I thought they needed it.  They all dove into that.  

I hope Fugly is okay soon!  I look forward to his molting pictures each time.  Give him a big hug (gently, very gently) from me and a kiss on the nose.  
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2003, 05:56:15 AM »

I am so mad. He is so tired and wont eat. He was cold. I didnt aim his heat lamp on his bed and he was cold. I warmed him up for about an hour and also put the lamp on him. He has turned his nose up to pudding and yogurt and everything.  I am so worried. I already left a message with the vet.
He had the surgery on WEd. Why still is he not eating? I dont believe he ate at the vets yet not here at home where he is comfortable.

Never again.........

Of course Jingles was neutered and he spent two days kind of stoned cause I think she gave him too much stuff due to his being obese and it absorbed into his fat......thats what she said may happen....but after two days he was ok.  

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2003, 07:01:55 AM »

  Just make sure you keep him warm, very warm, once they go too cold, well, their chances of getting better are slim.  I've had similar experiences with spays and I have an outstanding vet who specializes in surgery.  We can never predict how the rat is going to react to the anesthetic etc...  
  Of course he is in pain, just keep trying different foods until he finds something that distracts him from the pain (apples, chicken, egg, whipped topping come to mind as foods my rats ate when they wouldn't eat anything else).  Good luck.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2003, 08:13:18 AM »

Warm soy baby formula mixed with hot cocoa maybe..?  We will keep Fugs in our thoughs here for a quiker recovery  Heart
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2003, 03:15:31 PM »

I'll add in that most rats are more willing to take warm foods as opposed to cold. Try some warm soy baby formula in a syringe. It has vitamins, minerals and is mostly water (if you dilute it more than it says to mix). My rats ALWAYS love this when they're sick. Buy a container of Nestle Alsoy and try that. Warm up some baby food or give him some Ensure. I would invest in some Nutrical though.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2003, 04:09:02 PM »

He died. I cant talk about the rest right now
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2003, 04:14:05 PM »

I'm so sorry, sweetie.  *hugs*
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2003, 04:14:18 PM »

I'm so sorry. We're thinking of you hard with lots of love coming from this side of the Pond.

Take time to grieve and talk when you're ready.

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2003, 04:19:39 PM »

Oh sugarfoxx, I'm with you. I will make some space in my heart today to carry you in there; you will feel it.
I'm terribly sorry and no words can describe my condolescences. Hairy is painfree now. I'm sure he sorry he had to leave you this early, but maybe his time was up and now his eternal life started. And you know what? His mommy will always be in his heart. Hugs...
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2003, 04:26:47 PM »

Sad  I'm so sorry ..... this will be a tough one to get over.  I hope your heart mends quickly.   Heart
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2003, 05:02:21 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2003, 05:05:40 PM »

I wish words could convey how very, very sorry I am that you lost Hairy.  What a special, unique guy he was.  I will miss his lovely face in all his many coats.  

I'm so sorry hon.  (((((((((huge hugs)))))))))))
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2003, 05:48:14 PM »

Hairy may have had underlying problems we did not know about.  The bleeding........he could have had problems with clotting. He also was a big sneezer no matter what we tried from meds to bedding changes...
he was given the isofloran (SP??) which is supposed to be the safest out there to use for surgery.  It was inhaled in his lungs so maybe his lungs were bad.  She said he was ok all day when I left him there for observation and all of a sudden he has this sneezing attack and something came out his nose and......he was gone.
I am so sick I wasnt there. I didnt know. I am going to miss him so much. Oh my god I cant take this heartache.  
I cant discuss this right now. I just needed to tell you since your my friends and I need support.  I am sick.  Now Peanut will not have Fugs. I cant get past this.  my god it hurts I am crying non stop
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2003, 05:50:20 PM »

I am so sorry, sugarfoxx. You havve had way more than your share of loss lately. My thoughts are with you; though the pain seems unbearable, you will get through this. It just takes time.   Heart
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2003, 06:22:20 PM »

You have my heartfelt sympathy for FUGS.  He was truly a handsome boy and was lucky to have found someone like you who had his best interests at heart.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2003, 07:13:09 PM »

i'm so sorry about your baby.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2003, 07:30:32 PM »

sugarfoxx, I am deeply sorry for everything that you've been through but most especially for losing your baby.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2003, 09:58:51 PM »

Oh Sugarfox, my heart is breaking for you....I am so sorry you lost your baby. They arent with us long but it hurts everytime. The pain may seem unbearable, but one thing to remember....you did everything with his interests at heart and you were lucky you had each other. If he wasnt such a special love it would be easier, but its better knowing such special love in your life and going through this hell than not knowing this love at all...how much emptier life would be! It took me a long time to realize that...he will live in your heart and your mind and hes waiting for you sweety...Im so sorry....
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2003, 11:01:06 PM »

oh sugarfoxx Cry I am so sorry!!  Sad 2..I am feeling so bad for you right now. I don't think your rats could have a better mommy than you-I hope you know that and don't doubt it. I showed most of my family the pictures of Hairy and always commented how simply beautiful & unique he was. I know I don't really know you but I've read your posts about your kiddos, and you are just the best rattie mom to those precious babies Heart I know, it just isn't fair, you try to do the best for them and everything just turns out for the worst. It ends in so much heartache, but I guess it's only heartache because you realize how much they meant to you and how much you meant to them. They love you for the tremendous amount of care and love you gave to them and that's all that matters. I too hope your heart heals quickly, He will always be with you in the memories you two shared. Again, I am so sorry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2003, 11:23:35 PM »

Just like it was with my little Newberry. I'm so sorry.. it sounded as if Hairy just needed to gain back some strength and on pain meds. **HUGS!!** I truely feel what you're going through. I had so much guilt because I ended up adopting Lexi after I had Newberry spayed.. so she died for no reason. I got the surgery so she could live with the boys when my older girls were gone. I didn't want to get Lexus spayed.. so she didn't. I will NEVER have another rat spayed unless she has no chance to live without the operation. Was Hairy a hemophiliac too (blood doesn't clot well or at all)?
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2003, 12:54:54 AM »

What awful news! Even though there's always risk with surgery, no one expects it from one such as neutering. Just horrible, Sugarfoxx.  Sad 2 I know there's not much we can say. I am just so sorry this happened.  Cry
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2003, 01:25:24 AM »

She *thinks* he may have been a hemophiliac because he kept sprouting "leaks" the day of surgery and was sent home with this pressure bandage on.  He seemed sluggish the entire time like he never woke up.


I dont think she is so hot....as of this writing I want to just slap her around a little......am trying NOT to blame her. I hope the pain meds didnt do it since he was dehydrated she gave him the bup but also gave him fluids too first before giving the pain meds.

thanks everyone. This has broken my heart. I am so in shock........5 rats GONE since November 5th.  When they called and said he died I screamed in the phone and remember actually jumping up and down like a two year old screaming once I hung up.  I was so over dramatic I made myself throw up.

I need to TRY to sleep now.  I see that fugly face everywhere. I remember always kissing that funny long naked cold nose good night.
He was really something.
There will NEVER in a million years be another Hairy.
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2003, 03:55:41 PM »

I LOVE YOU!!!

I am so sorry about everything.  I am at a friends house right now, and logged on just to check my messages and for some reason I felt the need to check this board out.  

I can't believe how horrible this season is turning out to be for so many people.  The loss is beyond words.  Sad

My thoughts are with you and the rest of your crew.
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2003, 06:48:20 PM »

I'm SO sorry, how truly horrible for you.... Heart
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2003, 06:53:42 PM »

 Sad 2  Oh no I'm so sorry.  Cry
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