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Hi, all, I am new here. Came over from the Acme board and wanted to see if anyone here can help me figure this out. I'm just gonna paste what I posted at Acme. Hope you don't mind.
Well, today is the day. I dropped my Bubba boy off at the vet to be neutered. Wish us luck!
Both the ladies in there commented on his 'unusual' coloring. I've never seen anything like it either. (sorry, sure wish I had a digital camera!) I'm not sure, but I think he may be what you would call a mismarked hooded...I don't know really...but the non-white parts are like a tri-color...light grey, fawn, and some black hairs down his back, on his head, and some on his side. Belly is white. Any ideas? Everyone that has seen him and is somewhat familiar with rats comments on how neat his coloring is. I've got to try to get a pic!
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I'm trying but I just can't visulize that.
Perhaps a mis-marked siamese, also called a trimese. Does his coloration start darker at his nose and shade back to a lighter color on the rest of him before it hits the white marking the edges of his hood?
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The color is the same throughout, well, except for the white. Man, I wish I had a camera. I'll try to take a pic with my lame ol' web cam tonight.
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Call me blonde (Well, call me blonde! I am blonde after all
), but I can't picture what you're describing.
Is it different bands of color on each individual hair shaft? Like with an agouti, there is black, brown, and yellow on eqach hair. Or is it the hooded marking, but with several different color patches on the hood? I don't get it...
If you can, try and get some pics up. Also, when you develop photos (if you don't have a scanner) some places can put them on a disc for you. Then you can just transfer them to an online photo hosting site like Photo Island.
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My rat booklet says there is a rare breed called "restrictred". I think it sounded somthing like that, it also says the genes in this breed are ussually all screwy and they ussually die at birth. That's why they are so rare. Maybe that's what you got. I havn't read that book in a bit since it told me pine bedding was safe for ratties
, so I'm not really sure, you may want to see if you can look up this breed though. I can't find anything on it. (Did that book mislead me again?)
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Quote from: Grace Jr on April 17, 2002, 09:52:22 PM
Is it different bands of color on each individual hair shaft? Like with an agouti, there is black, brown, and yellow on eqach hair. Or is it the hooded marking, but with several different color patches on the hood? I don't get it...
My interpretation is that the different colored hairs are inter-mixed. Like you'd expect for a silvered black. But, that's just how I read his posts.
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Quote from: Ray on April 18, 2002, 12:58:31 AM
(Did that book mislead me again?)
What book is it? Title? Author? There are a few out there that are REALLY bad...
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It could definitely be some sort of "silvered" colour. Which means that there are grey/silver hairs interspersed with the predominant shade. - I wish I could see a picture
I'm not sure I can picture this very well.
There are some shades where the hair itself is tricoloured or bicoloured (where each hair itself is made up of different colours) -- such as in a fawn colour where the bottom of the hair is cream, the middle or the hair medium orange and the tip a darker orange.
Colours can be "ticked" with other colours... such as with lighter or darker hairs interspersed.
Sounds pretty though!
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Serenade, is it like calico cat coloring? Patches of each color?
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As far as I know, there is no calico-equivalent in rat genes...
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My interpretation is that the different colored hairs are inter-mixed. Like you'd expect for a silvered black. But, that's just how I read his posts.
Actually, it's 'her' posts, but that's okay.
Anyway, you are correct. The hairs are inter-mixed. I didn't get a chance to really look at the hairs last night, he was neutered yesterday, but I did notice, I was wrong about the black...It's just fawn and a light grey. No patches, the hairs are mixed like that on his head (which is actually more grey) and then the line down his back is mixed. He's so neat looking, I need to get a pic to show! I will soon...I hope! Oh, and I'm glad at least one person understood my ramblings!
Hopefully I've cleared it up so I can get more responses. Thanks!
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The "definition" of fawn is actually orangy tips with a light gray undercoat.
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Quote from: Ray on April 18, 2002, 12:58:31 AM
My rat booklet says there is a rare breed called "restrictred". I think it sounded somthing like that, it also says the genes in this breed are ussually all screwy and they ussually die at birth. (Did that book mislead me again?)
"Restricted" is actually a genetic term refering to the interaction among the genes, and not a particular "breed or type" of rat. What book were you reading?
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Quote from: Tara on April 18, 2002, 10:48:12 AM
Serenade, is it like calico cat coloring? Patches of each color?
LOL, no, I guess my original msg wasn't very clear. Sorry. The hairs are mixed, inter-mixed, whatever....seems to be more grey. Or is it gray? Anyway, I am working on getting some pix. I need you guys to see him, I think he is absolutely gorgeous. Mismarked, but like I'm gonna 'show' him anyway...he's just a big sweetie!
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Quote from: Suebee on April 18, 2002, 11:17:17 AM
The "definition" of fawn is actually orangy tips with a light gray undercoat.
Well, I have a fawn bareback, and I did notice the hairs closest to her skin were gray. I need to look at Bubba again, closer. Hopefully he'll be feeling better today!
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Quote from: Suebee on April 18, 2002, 10:58:39 AM
As far as I know, there is no calico-equivalent in rat genes...
I have seen what looked like a calico rat! I can't remember who posted it, I think it was on the Ratlist. Absolutely beautiful rat! Neatest coloring! Have you seen that pic?
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Quote from: serenade on April 18, 2002, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Suebee on April 18, 2002, 10:58:39 AM
As far as I know, there is no calico-equivalent in rat genes...
I have seen what looked like a calico rat! I can't remember who posted it, I think it was on the Ratlist. Absolutely beautiful rat! Neatest coloring! Have you seen that pic?
Yes, it was posted on several rat boards. Unless breeding proves otherwise, the consensus was that it was not calico, but chimera - a condition where two eggs fuse and develop into one baby - just so happened that the two eggs were destined to be two different colors.
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Quote from: serenade on April 18, 2002, 11:25:23 AM
I have seen what looked like a calico rat! I can't remember who posted it, I think it was on the Ratlist. Absolutely beautiful rat! Neatest coloring! Have you seen that pic?
There is such a thing as a tri-color rat...they have white and then two different other colors on their body. It's not like they are black white and blue, but more along the lines of of white, beige, and a darker beige.
Here's a pic(I hope it works) of a tricolor from one of my litters:
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Geocities does not allow remote linking of images...
(neither does Tripod or Angelfire, for the record... it's too much of a load on their servers)
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Quote from: serenade on April 18, 2002, 11:15:26 AM
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My interpretation is that the different colored hairs are inter-mixed. Like you'd expect for a silvered black. But, that's just how I read his posts.
Actually, it's 'her' posts, but that's okay.
Anyway, you are correct. The hairs are inter-mixed. I didn't get a chance to really look at the hairs last night, he was neutered yesterday, but I did notice, I was wrong about the black...It's just fawn and a light grey.
Ok, her posts.
It sounds similar to what the RMFE is calling an American Lynx Aurora - provided the hairs are banded. Here's a pic:
http://www.rodentfancy.com/rmfe/lynx1.jpg
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Yes, it was posted on several rat boards. Unless breeding proves otherwise, the consensus was that it was not calico, but chimera - a condition where two eggs fuse and develop into one baby - just so happened that the two eggs were destined to be two different colors.
Oh, wow. I hadn't heard that part. Fascinating! I wonder if that would cause anything 'wrong' later on. Interesting.
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Ok, her posts.
It sounds similar to what the RMFE is calling an American Lynx Aurora - provided the hairs are banded. Here's a pic:
http://www.rodentfancy.com/rmfe/lynx1.jpg
Hmm...kinda hard to see really, but looks close! Wonder if there is a better pic, closeup, somewhere. I'll look. Thanks.
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There is such a thing as a tri-color rat...they have white and then two different other colors on their body. It's not like they are black white and blue, but more along the lines of of white, beige, and a darker beige.
Here's a pic(I hope it works) of a tricolor from one of my litters:
Darn, I couldn't see the pic!
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Hmm...kinda hard to see really, but looks close! Wonder if there is a better pic, closeup, somewhere. I'll look. Thanks.
This is the written description: An overall grey-tan with light to medium slate at the base of the hair and tan to orange tips. Coat is evenly ticked with mocha, tan, or orange guard hairs. Eyes: dark ruby or any lighter variation. belly white; feet white. A fault is poor definition between hair base and tip color. One thing to consider is that your rat may be an imperfectly marked "something" - so I'd go for the description that is closest
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What book is it? Title? Author? There are a few out there that are REALLY bad...
The book is called "Rats' (Boy is that creative or what?), it was written by Susan Fox. I looked through the book a whole lot. Don't beleive a single word this book says!!! It is filled with garbage. I will post a few things it told me that make me really angry!
Quotes from the evil book:
"A fourth pattern of spotting-
restricted
-is very rare and quite unlikely to occur in domestic pet rats, since pure bred animals of this variety die soon after birth. Mixed-bred males of this type become sterile at arround 3 months of age.
Restricted
rats are white except for limited color arround the eyes and ears, although some closely resemble the hooded rat."
This is what made me post in the first place, I know doubt it is true, sounds really funky, I think the author made up half this book!
"Among the most widely available kinds of bedding are pine shavings. Though varying in how finely they are ground, pine shavings are good absorbers. They are cheap in nearly all regions of the country. However, pine shavings do not deodorize well."
I can think of many bad things about pine shavings, not being good deoderizers is at the bottom of my list. Could you please tell the world that they are deadly?
"The minimum size cage you should look at is 16''X10''X10'' to allow sufficient room for young rats.
The cage calculator says less then half a rat will fit in that cage, I'd like my ratties whole please.
A single rat is perhaps the luckiest, for their is no competition with any other rat for your attention. A single rat might also be more devoted to you since you are the only one with whom it can play.
That's just mean. Keep your rattie lonely, just so he will pay more attention to you. Yeah this is all about me, right? That poor lonely rattie isn't important!
There's more, but I won't post it. Just stay clear of this book, ok?
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OMG what palpable rubbish. I wonder how many rats' unhappiness she's responsible for! How do you stop this kind of thing? Can't really I suppose...but I feel just terrible about it.
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When I got my first girls I had a book by Susan Fox too.
I was actually looking through it the other night and was amazed! Unfortunately she's not the only author to beware of - I've got another book (can't remember the author offhand) who claims that rats are low-maintenance pets.
Well maybe I'm doing something wrong, but compared to any of the other pets I've had (with the possible exception of the horse) rats are far and away the highest-maintenance!!!
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