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Author Topic: Opinions Needed - Should I help this female out or no? - UPDATE  (Read 1403 times)
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« on: December 22, 2004, 04:56:29 PM »

Went into a pet store today - the same one where I got my first girl, Lily (see signature picture).  Anyway, I went to check out the rats and inside a mess of males and females (I'd say they were 5-6 weeks old, all black and white capped/dalmatian/mismarked etc) was one girl similar to the coloring of my late Luna.  Of course she stood out like an odd duck and of course, she's very pregnant.  The store kills me (they have a school-bell type system that is located right above the cages and rings everytime someone walks into the store and the animals freak out).  All the rats are sold as feeders, etc.  Just makes me very upset.  I picked up the girl anyway and she calmed down in my hands, cleaning herself - until the bell went off - then she calmed down again after a few minutes.  However, I forced myself to leave her in the store because my heart is being torn both ways. 

I need opinions.  I know that taking a rat out of a feeder tank, helping socialize the babies, finding them homes is not considered a "rescue" since the spot will just be filled up.  I was pointed out to the fact that there are thousands of other pregnant female rats in the same situation that I don't know about.  But of course, the ones that I do know about really kills me.  Of course I have to be worried about her carrying SDA or something of the sort.  Along with the fact that if I were to get her, I would have to find homes for the babies and I do not know how willing people would be to help with that.  I do have the space and time available to devote to a mother and her litter, however.

Anyway, I just need opinions.  This is kind of a "What would you do" situation.  I need something to convince me if it is better to just leave her there or to go do something about it.  Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 05:23:31 PM »

i, personally, would take her. i would love to take in a preggo mom and foster the babies. since i will never breed. some people think its wrong to supply the store with money, but its that one rat, and her X amount of babies they you will be saving and giving a woderfull life. yes, others will die an unfirtunite death, thats not your fault and you cant stop it. save the momma!
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2004, 05:56:20 PM »

It's not considered supporting the store if she just finds her way into your pocket when you are walking out.   Cheeky  NOT that I"M saying you should steal or anything!!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2004, 06:26:26 PM »

I believe that you should actually take her. I think that even though it's 'supporting the shop' that you're at least saving a life and the lives of her unborn. I totally would be willing to take a couple of the babies if you do rescue her Smiley, and if they're healthy of course.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2004, 06:29:48 PM »

I think it depends on what your heart is telling you. Sometimes you meet the special someone and just have to take them home no matter where they come from.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2004, 06:37:05 PM »

Yes, you are supporting the store by paying for her, however you are also saving a life. There are indeed thousands of other rats out there that are facing unfair deaths, but there is nothing you can do about it and that doesn't mean you should stop helping an animal when it is in need. To that one rat and her unborn babies, you would be making a world of difference.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 06:44:48 PM »

Yeah, what you all have said is true.  Thanks for taking the time to help me out.  Sounds like I might be taking a trip back to the store tomorrow.  If that's the case, anyone possibly willing to take a baby or two when they arrive?  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 10:05:59 PM »

If you can get one up to NH, I might consider taking one Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2004, 01:25:35 AM »

Yes, I agree with Priestess.  I think you should only take her if you are POSITIVE that you can take care of her and most of a potentially large litter in case you don't find many adoptors.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2004, 01:34:16 AM »

I know that this might not be the most rational way to think, but in a few weeks time, will you still be thinking about her? If you will, I think you should definitely go back.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2004, 08:46:50 AM »

About the supporting pet store dilemna...

Do they lock their rat cages? Cheeky
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2004, 01:02:15 PM »

I have raised two litters (thru rescue) already btw.

I could not sleep at all last night - I could not get this female off of my mind.  So I decided to talk to my parents this morning.  They're not budging - well mostly my dad who does not want to have to "drive to transport if necessary" and "since they aren't guaranteed that the babies'll find homes".  They said that if all of the babies had homes, then absolutely - they'd let me do it in a heartbeat.  But because nothing is guaranteed, they said no.  It's so upsetting, thinking about the girl is breaking my heart.  Anyone have any ideas?

I have until 8 tonight (the store closes then and they're closed for Christmas).  I have a feeling that if I wait too long, it'll be too late for momma and her soon-to-be-babies..
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2004, 01:28:35 PM »

How can you find homes "for sure" for hypothetical babies ... there is a saying in frech that goes : devant l'impossible, nul n'est tenu ... which basically means what is impossible can be expected of nobody.

That being said : TAKE HER  Cheeky

I mean seriously, did you really expect anybody here to say : nah! Leave her there!

When one comes on a rat forum about a question like this, one is looking for validation ... NOT a rational opinion.

Did I mention : TAKE HER!!!!  Ratty Smiley Blue Dumbo Big Eyes Blue Dumbo Smile
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2004, 01:30:27 PM »

I can't answer whether it's right or wrong but do your parents know she's pregnant?

What if the pet shop owner assured you she wasn't  Cheeky You wouldn't have to find baby homes then, until one day, would you believe it, she was pregnant after all  Shocked
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2004, 01:31:24 PM »

The only thing I can think of is to keep trying to convince your dad.  If that doesn't work, then you should respect what he wants and not bring her home.  I know it sucks, but it is your parents' house and you have to abide by their rules.
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2004, 01:50:14 PM »

Everyone knows the same old argument. However, I can't stop myself.

Resist the lure of pet shop ratties. Please rescue a rat (or lots of rats, since you're willing to care for possibly 20 babies). Don't support rat mills.

I've got eight baby ratties on my hands that you can have. Heart

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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2004, 02:09:55 PM »

Well, granted that my dad went with me to the store and saw her (and she looks HUGE so there it is impossible to not know, lol - it actually worries me that she might've had the babies by now) he knows that she's pregnant.

I have a close friend who offered to take in all of the babies once they are old enough (minus the ones that other people might possibly want).  I told my parents and they said that they would "think about it".  So, there is hope.

I'll keep you all updated!

And yes Scratch, I am so aware of that fact.  Unfortunately, sometimes one just...it's impossible to get them off of your mind.
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2004, 04:02:29 PM »

My dad just came home a few minutes ago - he had some errands to run.  He stopped at the pet store - he was going to bring the girl home for me (as a "surprise")...someone bought over half of the rat stock yesterday (around 3 in the afternoon).  That's around 20+ rats.  The pregnant female was one of them.

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Wonder what they're going to be used for, no surprise here... Worry
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2004, 04:09:24 PM »

I'm sorry Claire  Sad
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 04:14:00 PM »

Awww, I'm so sorry.
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2004, 04:54:42 PM »

My dad just came home a few minutes ago - he had some errands to run.  He stopped at the pet store - he was going to bring the girl home for me (as a "surprise")...someone bought over half of the rat stock yesterday (around 3 in the afternoon).  That's around 20+ rats.  The pregnant female was one of them.

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Wonder what they're going to be used for, no surprise here... Worry

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2004, 05:50:19 PM »

Oh no! I'm so sorry... **snugs**

That was very thoughful of your dad though...Let's just hope for the best, okay? I know all the bad things come to mind, but just try to be optimistic. You'll feel better that way.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2004, 07:07:00 PM »

I tried to be optimistic.  Unfortunately, my dad told me that the pet store lady specified what type of animal owner the person who bought the rats was.  Bad news.

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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2004, 07:20:27 PM »

It's senseless to try to be optimistic in a situation like this.  Everyone here knows what happened to that ratgirl and all the others.  I'm sorry Claire...I don't believe in fate and I don't think this is fair.  I know you're in your parents house, but maybe you could rescue a dumped rat in her and Luna's memory when you find the right one.  Maybe even a pregant momrat ( or with a young litter) that you can raise and find loving homes for.  Most rescue rats come from pet stores originally anyway and then get dumped, so you could still help a rattie from a bad situation without helping the petstore. 

I rescued my girl Calla after she was dumped at a pet shop with her 20 babies.  My mom took four of her children and another rat loving man took 3 more of her sons, but I have no way of knowing what happened to her other kids.  They were already 4-5 weeks old and I couldn't take them all.  They don't knowingly sell feeders or adopt out dumped rats as food, but they have no way of knowing what happens to them. 

I'll light a white candle for the girl, her kids, and the other ratties that met the same fate, Claire....poor things.
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2004, 07:24:42 PM »

We can always hope that someone with a CO2 chamber got them and euthanized them before feeding them to their snake... with that many bought at one time, it's actually somewhat likely.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2004, 07:25:43 PM »

Claire, I'm so sorry.  That breaks my heart. 

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