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« on: January 04, 2005, 10:59:18 PM »

I have seen PetCo referred to as "Evil PetCo" in some postings as well as other expressions of animosity directed toward the pet retailer. I personally prefer to shop at PetsMart, but have on some occasions shopped at PetCo when PetsMart didn't have what I needed in stock.

So, what's the deal with the negative attitude toward PetCo? What should I be wary of? Please enlighten me.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »

Lips Sealed I have had three mice and a hamster come into my life from petco..... they were from different stores from different time..... they all died within three days of comming home...they were sickly from the start.  I have hear from many other people awful stories of their own pets from petco. Sick, fearful, mean, just plain abused pets.  The cages are usually a big sloppy mess and I have found the staff doesn't really know what they are talking about. I have all so seen dead mice being eaten by other mice in the feeder bins.  It has been this way for a while at petco and the "man" doesn't seem to make any attempt at changing or educating their stores/employees, so I can only assume they are putting quantity over quality.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2005, 11:12:37 PM »

I suggest you do a search on the site to get the full story.

Here are the highlowlights:

Their primary purpose for selling rodents is feeders.
They promote live feeding.
They don't separate sexes. Consequently most of the females are pregnant.
They buy from disreputable animal mills.
Many of their animals are sick.
They promote the use of pine and cedar.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2005, 11:15:11 PM »

The problem is also with there supplier, check this out: http://petcosucks.com/
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2005, 11:18:15 PM »

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Yea, thanks for the facts. As far as big, crazy, corperation, chain stores go, petco is not cool.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2005, 11:32:43 PM »

All of my Petco rats have been fairly healthy.

My first two girls(from Petco) lived to about two and a half.
Hermione(who was from the feeder tank, bought pregnant) lived till about one and half(always healthy until one day she just got sick and died).
Minerva and Fleur, bought at the same time as Hermione, now something over two(they were born sometime around august-september 2002) from the Fancy tank. Minerva is going strong, though Fleur has some sort of tumor.

The Petco I go to, has this nice lady that takes home the obviously pregnant girls, keeps them until the babies are weaned, then they are separated by sex into the fancy tanks. I am not sure about the mice though.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2005, 12:16:50 AM »

There are hundreds of tragic stories because of Petco and other chain petstores that sell small animals since they purchase their animals from mills.  However, many stores take excellent care of their animals, including the one that is near me. The associate to maintains the area has rats herself and makes sure that everyone is cared for.  None of the glass housing has pine, cedar or soft wood in there and their food and water are checked on an hourly basis.  This location also has a wonderful manager who will literally take care of a problem that instance if it's brought to his attention by an employee or a customer.  I'm up there on an almost constant basis to keep an eye on the animals.  I'm not a huge advocate of PeTA but they do get the word out, even if it's in an overly zealous manner. 

It's all based on the individual stores, from what I've guessed.  However, until these stores stop buying from mills, there will always be health issues.

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2005, 12:56:55 AM »

I have seen some atrocious aquariums at Petco but that's pretty much as bad as it gets at the store in my area. All the rodents are separated by sex and kept on Carefresh bedding.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2005, 01:01:31 AM »

One of the many things I find interesting about PetCo is that they have a sheet under care sheets on live feeding and how it is not recommended.  It discusses feeding frozen food yet they sell feeders.  

If you do a google search under Petno, you will find several sites about what they do.  They have been under much criticism and have attempted to "clean up their act".  The ones by me now use Carefresh and have the name posted on the cages of the vet they use for their sick animals.  Yet, they still sell crappy stuff and give bad advice.

They had also agreed to not sell rabbits ever again after pressure from rabbit groups, yet went back on their promise last year and some stores are now selling rabbits.  I can't remember if it's back east or the mid west but they are not selling them in So. Cal.  

I choose not to support them financially and I shop at stores that do not sell animals on order online.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2005, 01:04:52 AM »

The PetCo in the town I used to live in was really good. A worker there personally bred Morde's litter and said he was the last of them and gave him a kiss. It was quite sweet and now he's like my best friend. We play 'hide and seek' where I hide under a blanket and he finds anyway he can to get under there to me, he was the main topic of a speech I had to do in class and when I brought him everyone fell in love with him, I kiss him more than I kiss anyone else on this planet xD, he's really fun to wrestle with (I mean my hand of course), and I just love him. He has never been sick either. Maybe my PetCo was one of the many good ones? They seemed like they treated the other animals really well, also. But now.. Some of the stupid generic brands I can't stand. Like the one I got Merlin at. He was very territorial aggresive. When I wanted to pick him up I had to completely unassemble the cage and pick him up that way. He was never ill though, but I loved him a lot anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2005, 01:56:06 AM »

I actually hold no problems with Petco. A very good friend of mine is the animal care specialist from Petco. They take VERY good care of their animals there and are very organized and friendly. I don't think it is the company that makes the store horrible. It is the PEOPLE who run the store that make it horrible. I honestly have absolutly no problem with Petco.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2005, 03:34:42 AM »

Even *IF* one is "run properly", I still have a problem with them as they sell animals as pets and they sell feeders.  I feel they are contributing to the overpopulation problem.  And the whole feeder situation is just cruel.   Sad 2
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2005, 06:35:06 AM »

We got our first Petco here in Charlotte and it just opened.   Both Petsmarts were out of nutrapuffs (my rats are addicted to them!) but I resisted the urge to go and give Petco my business. 
As long as people continue to buy feeders there will be feeders being sold.  I still dont see how anyone can stand over a feeder bin and choose out of all those poor rats the lucky ones that get to live.  I mean, what do you look for in the rat that gives him or her a new chance at life? How can you possibly make that decision? What about the poor rats left behind?
I dont support the purchase of feeder rats at all.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2005, 07:41:03 AM »

I hate to sound callous but though I do understand why everyone's against feeders, it's just the natural way of things.  I've had a few animals here and there that have eaten live stuff and though it broke my heart, I simply couldn't convince my animals to eat frozen stuff....  Sad 2 I don't know how many of you are vegetarians but just because it comes in a pretty little frozen package from the supermarket certainly doesn't make where it came from any less alive... and in the wild, each and every day, natural instinct kills more animals then you can think of.   Blue Dumbo Big Eyes

Please don't take this wrong, I certainly wouldn't want Captain Jack or Sir William to end up some animal's breakfast but just because ppl feed their animals live stuff doesn't make them evil.... each time I had to do it, it broke my heart and I eventually got rid of whatever I had that couldn't live on crickets or other bugs.  But, again, for some people who get thier animals as older pets and can't get them to eat frozen, it's not a choice - it's a necessity....   Cry
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2005, 08:01:34 AM »

For those of you in MI, I would like to point out I just recently found out (from working with Tiny Paws Rescue) that the Petco in Troy does not carry it's own animals and actually gives their space over to Tiny Paws for use in adoptions.  All adoptions still go through Tiny Paws, as the Petco employees do nothing but clean the cages and fill food bowls (food and bedding provided by Tiny Paws), so if you do need to do some pet store shopping or adopting please check it out.  I plan on going tomorrow since I plan a long and happy friendship with Tiny Paws. 

Just my 2 cents, there is nothing "natural" about throwing a feeder mouse in an aquarium with a snake.  Prey in the wild can escape and live another day.  Also those animals don't live in HORRIBLE conditions until they die.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2005, 08:06:45 AM »

Even if I did keep reptiles, and did feed them live food... based on the conditions I have seen at Petco, and the lawsuit information I have seen, I would not feed ANY animal purchased there to any OTHER animal in my care. Would I feed my family beef from an ill cow? No. So I would not feed a sick rat to a snake in my care.

But, since I don't keep reptiles, and I have the issues that I do with live feeding in general, I will not shop there for anything so long as they sell rodents "by the pound." (read: the bigger they are, the more they cost) When they stop doing that (as PetsMart has), I will reconsider. If they carry something PetsMart does not, too bad for me. I do without. (as it is, I only buy CareFresh and CritterFresh at PetsMart, and the occasional tube of Nutrical -- I get my Innova at the local natural foods store)

I don't honestly know if they have made any satisfactory improvements in the last three years (other than information shared on the forum), though, because I haven't set foot in one in that long. I reserve my personal contact with Petco to rude, un-PG gestures from the car as I drive by. LOL!
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2005, 08:17:50 AM »

I should add that I won't go to Petco unless it's absolutely necessary.  As a matter of principle, if the animals in the cages don't look happy, healthy and cared for, I'll find myself a new petstore....
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2005, 08:37:39 AM »

It's the bad apple theory. Not all PetCo's and petstores are bad. but the ones that are, are real bad.
My local town pet shoppe, is owned an operated by a local resident, and has been for over 20 years. He lives above the store in an apartment, and keeps a constant watch on the animals he has. There are a couple gerbils, some birds, and occasionally a litter of pups someone dumped there. He wont selll or adopt an animal to anyone he doesnt think will treat it correctly.
However; the next town over, has a pet store/dog breeder/kennel/ feed store. It's tiny, and the food is often moldy from poor storage conditions. They pay more attention to breeding the dogs than anything else. Becuase thats what makes the $$$$. 800-1500 per puppy.

Perhaps, if bad apple petstores werent making money selling animals, they would stop. Afterall, thats what business is all about, right?
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2005, 09:14:38 AM »

I would like to point out one thing about Petco, PetSmart and any other chain type pet store.  The problem with tha lot of pet stores is that they only pay about $6-7/hr to start.  I know you can move up and make a lot more but you basically get what you pay for.  I am in no way criticizing anyone who works at these places--I have come across many knowledgeable and caring staff members at these stores but this tends not to be the norm.  How do you think they keep the prices so low?  I myself would love to work with animals but it just doesn't pay, I'm afraid. 

Petstores provide a service.  They must cater to their entire clientele.  You need to be "full-line" in order to make it work.  If fish don't sell this week, perhaps birds do.  Or reptiles.  Or rodents. 

Another question to ask yourself...would you pay a few dollars more and make a trip out of your way to pickup your pet supplies from a "mom and pop" kind of store?  I can't speak for you, but I tend to go where it is easy and cheap.  Yeah, I know I should support the local stores but quite honestly, they are REALLY far away now and tend to only have ONE kind of food and ONE kind of water bottle and ONE kind of bedding.  Do you see what I mean?  I like the large size of the chains and the vast selection.  I try to buy as much as I can from my mom and pop but they are more a fish store (I breed, show and sell trop. fish) but they are really limited in what they carry for small animals.  So, in one trip to the chain, I can take care of rats, cats, dogs, snakes and fish, too.

I could write a thesis on this subject...

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2005, 09:29:23 AM »

I went into Petco once, just to piddle around and see what the fuss was about (my nearest Petco is like 2 hours away). The rodents were on carefresh and the "fancy rats" were separated by sex (though the albinos/smeezes in the feeder tank were not). They had some fresh lettuce in there, plus food and a clean and full water bottle. They all seemed nice and healthy.

The fish tanks were atrocious, most had at least two dead fish floating/stuck to the filter in them, and lots had green scum on the sides of the tank. There was a humongous "feeder fish" tank - it really must've been 70 gallons or more - PACKED with comets so that you couldn't really see through to the other side. I think that was the only part that disgusted me. They didn't have bunnies, ferrets, puppies or kittens, but they did have a bird room with one big parrot. That part made me sad. Sad Such a large, beautiful, intelligent animal and it's stuck sitting there on a perch all day with people poking at it. I doubt they sell parrots very often, so why even keep it there?
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2005, 10:13:58 AM »

Sunilata, which PetCo was it you went to?  I've only had experience with the one here in South Portland, so I can't speak for any of their other stores around here.

The one here sells ferrets, guinea pigs, hamsters, gerbils, mice rats, various reptiles, fish, and a variety of parrots and other birds.  More often than not, the only rats they have are feeders, as well as the mice.  I went in there during my lunch at work (I work in the same plaza and will check in on them if I've got plenty of time before I go home - don't want to risk bringing anything home to my kids), they had two rat sized 'bins' stuffed with feeder mice, had one "fancy" rat, and the rest were feeders.

They DO generally keep them on safe bedding, but they get crap food, I've seen plenty of dirty cages, etc.  The fish tanks are almost always disgusting, and it's almost impossible to find a sales associate there to help you, nevermind one that actually knows what they're talking about!

I know this is a store I'll never give my business to.  Especially after this summer...
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2005, 11:14:28 AM »

OH come on! I WORK at Petco! There is NOTHING wrong with the store. And FYI we do separate the sexes. I would know because I had to change the set up the other day, and that took me 7 hours!  Cheeky
I am the main person who looks over the small animals. (clean, change food, change water, ordering etc) I handle the rats at least 3 times a day. The rats are super, super sweet. Even the feeders.
They take great care of there sick animals too. (I look over them most of the time too) I was trained to take care of all the animals, but they saw that I know so much about small animals that they decided to make the the small animals specialist. I've owned small animals since I was 9 Years old.
Obviously very few of you have seen the "good" petcos.  I personally do not shop at Petsmart due to issues I have with the stores I've gone to. (I've visited at least 6 Petsmart. In CT and various parts of FL)
I love my job. I can bet money that if all of you went to the Petco I work at you would have a WHOLE other view on Petco.

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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2005, 11:22:48 AM »

The simple fact that there are "good" stores and "bad" stores bothers me. The company has policies... ALL stores should follow it.

You know the phrase "one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch..." ? For me, it applies in this case. I won't even shop in a good Petco, because bad ones exist. *shrug* My choice.
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2005, 11:35:39 AM »

I bought a Guinea Pig there two years ago. She was only approx 5 weeks old....And as it turns out Preggers. I know G.P.s are hard to sex ( I had to sex the babies promptly and it took much referencing and well embarrassing exploration for both parties involved  Blue Dumbo Big Eyes ) I consider it the "buy 1 guinea pig , get 3 free plan"!!!

 I bought a Rat there 5 yrs ago that was so sick, he died after 3 mos of constant antibiotics and nose drops...and then came up with a voracious tumor that grew between his shoulder blades to the size of a golf ball in less than two weeks...wickedly bad cancer that was. ( vet wouldn't remove due to severe URI )- a result of bad breeding I suspect.

I have seen more bloody, sick rats there then I can to count, and when I talked to the manager about it each time, all I got was a shrug and a look that reeked of, " ug one of those rat humaniacs..."

I call it "Deathco" and will no purchase live animals there.
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