Sounds like she is very insecure. I would leave the nest alone and leave them be in peace. How old are her pups? She may be feeling that the babies are not safe when disturbed so she is getting rid of them. 

-Melina

Melina,
I am not sure you are aware of this but Furley is a hairless.  RAR has Isabel (furred) who recently had a litter there.  Is it possible the babies are dying because Furley is not producing enough milk?  Should the remaining babies be put with Isabel?

One of Fuley's eye's has porphyin around it. That's new too.

That's kinda what I was thinking. She's covered up and I am listening to the peeps. It's like sittin out in the summer listening to the crickets. 

I hope she's not doing anything to them.

11 born and 6 now (I think) I didn't poke around too much when I saw that there were more missing. I had 10 this morning when I before I left for work. This is kind of a shock to me.

WOW I didn't know you lost that many! Ok now I am no expert but if it were ME and I lost one more from now on  I personally would see if Isabel will nurse or try it on my own. Just my opinion

I thought about that, but I was afraid they would get smothered under Isabel's pups. Furley's pups are so tiny, about the size of a small tootsie roll. Isabel's pups are huge.

What you would do in that case is take most of Isabel's pups out, but leave enough in that convinces her to nurse still. Then put Furley's babies in there. I don't think she needs just quiet time, I think she just needs to have Isabel nurse the babies. Lactating problems? Yea right. She probably stressed so bad and killed her babies. It's been blown out of proportion about hairless moms not being able to lactate. Most lactate just as well as furred moms.

that lil fuzzbutt sleeping in there with the babies is too cute. i think you did the right thing. it feels like furley doesn't know what to do to protect her babies because she is too used to tragedy.

i am so glad you can give her a better life free from worries like this. she has seen too much, been thru too much. now she just needs love and emotional healing.

In that last pic, it looks like Joey was sleeping but she was BATHING the baby under her. It was too cute. I hope this is the right thing to do. If they are meant to live then Isabel will be a good momma to the babies. Isabel worried me too though, she took her brood off to feed in another corner of the cage and left the little ones by theirselves. She's got them all together now but I'm still worried.

I am giving her today to rest and then I am going to start intros tomorrow with my 4 younger girls that are very docile. I have my 6 month old and younger girls seperated now from my older girls (too much friction between the dominant females) I hope she enjoys having a mischief to snuggle with and not be constantly bred/ pregnant. Isabel has the babies in a group now. There were at least 2 feeding on her. They still have good milk bellies. Tonight is going to be a long night at work. I leave now and wont be home until 930. Thank you all for the advice and help. I don't know what I would have done without you all.

Stacey

Everythings crossed over here that Furley settles in with the other girls OK and that Isabel continues to adopt the Furlings.  Still sending over *hugs, Healing and Good Vibes*   

ps Try and get a decent nights sleep in, will ya !!!!!!! 

Forgive me, I didn't know she was a hairless mom. I try to keep up with all the posts but sometimes rats get mixed up in my mind

 Sometimes you have to go with your gut on what is the right thing to do. One of my mom rats gave birth and had two stillborn so I tried to revive the one and that totally freaked out the mom. She started grabbing up the live pups and dropping them here, there and everywhere. She was very insecure and scared about what was happening, so she consumed two of the live pups. I immediately covered up the aquarium and left her be for the rest of the night. She wound up taking care of the remaining pups just fine once she settled into being a mom. I just disturbed the nest way too quickly taking away the stillborn pups.

 It was kinda sad in a way because her sister had her litter the very next morning (they were together - not recommended for others but I knew my girls would do fine) and it seemed that the first mom felt so guilty about what had happened that she took over mothering both litters for the majority of the time until they were weaned. I don't know if they *can* feel guilty, but she sure seemed like she was trying to make up for losing half her litter.
 
 I hope your remaining babies do just fine. They look good! It is normal if Isabel separates the pups into two piles and cares for them that way.

-Melina