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Author Topic: OMG! Abandoned girl.. you are not going to believe this!!  (Read 4117 times)
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« on: August 01, 2006, 11:51:14 AM »

I have BABIES!!!!!!
I cannot believe this!! She was fine a little while ago,,, I actually had come up here with all my supplies and was going to try to flush her sores and deal with that one on her butt, but I happened to look out my bedroom window and there was the male, so I ran down to try for him. That was unsuccessful, and another story for another time. Then I got a call from hubby that he was going to drop by to pick up his cooler and lots of fluids because it is HOT today.. warnings of 48 degrees. Anyway, I finally came up here and sat down for a second to give myself a moment to get my breath before I wash the girl. She was in her little tube and I put my finger to the bars and rather than her come try to sniff, as she has been doing, she lept toward my finger clearly with the intention of biting. I thought maybe my hands smelled different, having just rinsed out something with bleach, and I bent closer to talk to her and noticed the babies. OMG!

This just could not get any better.. if this all wasnt so tragic it would be hilarious. WHAT NOW GUYS?Huh lol!!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 11:55:39 AM »

I had a very strong feeling that would happen, with her hanging around with a male when loose... poor girl.

I've never experienced a litter (keeping only males, I think it would be a miracle if I did... LOL), but there's LOTS of advice all over the board...

Her agression is definitely just being protective of her babies. If you can get her out for a short while to count them and see if they have milk bellies (you can see a white band on their tummies, as their skin is thin enough that it's translucent right now), that would be a good start. Smiley

Be sure she gets a extra protein in her diet, to help her pass on the nutrients to her babies.

There are more care tips in here:
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But... she should be able to care for them just fine on her own. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 12:00:05 PM »

Oh god, poor you. How many did she have? You should probably provide mommy with plenty of high calorie food and try, just try not to fall head over heels for the little eepers.

Btw, if you need medical supplies like hibitaine soap or a seringe with a plastic nozzle to flush out her wounds just let me know. I'm downtown in Ottawa. I could also give you a few pounds of Harlan lab block if you're having trouble getting some.

PM me if you're interested.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 12:15:00 PM »

Congratulations, I'm so happy you caught her when you did. Like everyone else has said, she will need higher calorie foods and extra protien.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 12:23:19 PM »

My rat Bella had an accidental litter 7 weeks ago.  To tell you the truth, it was very easy.  Bella did all of the work herself.  Just give her some foods with extra protein (like scrambled eggs, tuna, puppy food, kitten food) and try to see if the babies have milk in their stomachs.  When a baby is on its back it is very easy to see their little milk band.  It is a white band across their stomach.  You can also see it when they are laying on their stomachs.  It extends up onto their side.  If you have any questions just ask me and I can probably answer them.

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 12:32:47 PM »

I just got off the phone with Bev...she's in for the long haul with these sweeties.  I am going to send her links to everything I can think of (bellaratta's rat growth chart, pics of milk bellies, etc, etc)

I have to reiterate she is a wonderful person who loves all animals, and I am happy that everyone is helping her out with support and advice!!!!   Grin   

Okay off to find links of easy to understand informational websites, etc.  Cheesy

With all you people who have had rescue litters.  When is it acceptable to move a litter, when would they be able to handle a drive?  3 weeks, 4 weeks?  later?
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 01:09:54 PM »

Oh no!  I feel so bad for the little girl!  And you too, having to deal with all this at the same time  Puppy Dog Eyes:
I've said it before and I"m gonna say it again, they are SO lucky to have found someone so kind and considerate to all animals.  You're doing GREAT! 
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 02:03:24 PM »

Oh gosh! She'll calm down soon enough. Once you get her out of the cage and away from the babies for a few minutes. Some type of a boarder needs to go around the cage so the babies don't get out of the bars (that kind of stuff does happen). Lots of protein and a quiet place so she's not too stressed.

It maybe a little more difficult to handle her to get the cuterebra out of her behind but once it's out she'll feel much better. I sure hope the other wounds aren't the same thing. Best of luck and please keep us up dated as much as you can.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 02:54:41 PM »

Okay, I think I've recovered a bit. What a day!
You guys are terrific, you all know that, dont you? Thankyou all so much!

Everything looks okay at this time.. momma seems to be doing her job. I saw the babies nursing and I can see some milk bands on the ones I can see. I am not sure how many there are yet.. maybe 9? I'm just leaving her for now, its calm and quiet here and she knows I'm in the room but I'm letting her be. I gave her a bit of chicken breast and some peas.. I will make sure she gets the protein she needs.
She was just beginning to gain my trust and I dont want to mess around with that. I was just beginning to trust her, too, and she goes and pulls a stunt like this. lol

Its 48 outside and I think the male has a lot of cool places to find shelter. He at least has water and the birdseed to sustain him..I dont imagine he will come out in the heat of day. Wow, I am exhausted! This just gets more and more interesting.

Big hugs to all of you. Wow, you're great!
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 03:49:24 PM »

With all you people who have had rescue litters.  When is it acceptable to move a litter, when would they be able to handle a drive?  3 weeks, 4 weeks?  later?

I went to pick up two pregnant girls and 1/2 hour before I made the drive home one gave birth. I had no choice but to drive the 100 miles home with mum and new babies. This was also during the spring when there wasn't the risk of high temperatures.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 03:51:08 PM »

Your story gets wilder and wilder!  It's wonderful that you're willing to do this for someone else's abandoned pet.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  You are an angel for doing this. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 03:58:48 PM »

With all you people who have had rescue litters.  When is it acceptable to move a litter, when would they be able to handle a drive?  3 weeks, 4 weeks?  later?

I went to pick up two pregnant girls and 1/2 hour before I made the drive home one gave birth. I had no choice but to drive the 100 miles home with mum and new babies. This was also during the spring when there wasn't the risk of high temperatures.

Wow...that must've been nerve-wracking for you!  Everyone was just fine I take it?
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2006, 04:15:33 PM »

With all you people who have had rescue litters.  When is it acceptable to move a litter, when would they be able to handle a drive?  3 weeks, 4 weeks?  later?

I went to pick up two pregnant girls and 1/2 hour before I made the drive home one gave birth. I had no choice but to drive the 100 miles home with mum and new babies. This was also during the spring when there wasn't the risk of high temperatures.

Wow...that must've been nerve-wracking for you!  Everyone was just fine I take it?

Everybody was fine and Anni was the best mum ever and a real character. Her foster mum ended up adopting her.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2006, 05:00:10 PM »

Everybody was fine and Anni was the best mum ever and a real character. Her foster mum ended up adopting her.

Awww...thats nice to hear  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2006, 08:13:14 PM »

Oh wow, What a surprise for you Balego! (Not sure if it's a good or bad one!  Yellow Cute Laugh )  Most rattie moms will take care of everything on their own, but it sure does make bonding more difficult when she's in protective motherhood mode. Hopefully you'll be able to count the babies sometime. I'm sure lilspaz gave you all the information you need, but lots of people here can answer questions for sure!

I've adopted and had transport for babies at 3 weeks + without any problems, but I think to be on the safe side 5 or 6 weeks before a long drive would be better. Your story does indeed keep getting more and more interesting! Now there aren't just one or two.. but over 10 probably. Oh my.. Good luck with the little ones, if I wasn't on a rat restraint from my parents ( Yellow Cute Laugh ) I'd be taking some babies back with me Wink
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2006, 04:40:31 PM »

Well it looks like some of you are right.  It seems our poor Rennie girl does have warbles.  Sad
Poor Bev tried to remove it but wasn't able to as it kept pulling itself back inside.  I have been doing some research and some sites say that they develop and come out on their own (could that be what the male could've had?  Now its gone and he's healed?), and others say you need to remove them because most end up getting secondary infections. From the picture , its close to coming out on its own...advice?  Sigh...poor Bev and poor Rennie.   Undecided  She told me that the little girl was extremely good while they were trying to extract it.   Roll Eyes
There were 11 babies born yesterday and one died overnight so Rennie is being a very good mother to 10 pinkies.

I will continue to update for everyone who is following this situation.  Smiley

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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2006, 04:44:44 PM »

Shelagh- I don't have firsthand experience with warbles and the link I posted was about squirrels, but it did state that once they were at a certain maturity they would fall out on their own.  I don't know if that's always the case, but that's the way I read into it.  I think if it did fall out on it's own that she could flush the area with saline to remove any pus and excrement from the warble and it should heal on it's own.  Granted, I am not a vet, and have no experience with this, so I could be very wrong.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2006, 05:04:18 PM »

Shelagh- I don't have firsthand experience with warbles and the link I posted was about squirrels, but it did state that once they were at a certain maturity they would fall out on their own.  I don't know if that's always the case, but that's the way I read into it.  I think if it did fall out on it's own that she could flush the area with saline to remove any pus and excrement from the warble and it should heal on it's own.  Granted, I am not a vet, and have no experience with this, so I could be very wrong.

I really wish I lived closer I would be over there in a flash and to the vets.  I can't ask that of this woman, she is doing incredible things and just dealing with this parasite is more than most people would do...hahaha. 

I'll keep researching, but yeah it does sound like it comes out on its own, and the infection is because of crap left behind, but saline flushing and neosporin should work for that.  Its the type that is parasitic to its host but not kill them so it can use them the next year as well.  I actually would worry about her trying to get it out and it dies in the cavity and then its definitely going to get infected.  Ugh.

Is this the link you sent to Bev?
http://botfly.ifas.ufl.edu/wrbpex/wrbpex.htm

Thanks Amykins, I appreciate all of this.  Smiley

Edited to add, don't be eating wontons while doing this research...
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2006, 06:06:26 PM »

Shelagh- no problem!  I didn't actually send the link to Bev because I don't have her email, but that link is the one I posted above.  If you can forward that to her via email, it should help calm her a bit.  It's pretty disgusting, but at least it's not life threatening.  She's got so much to deal with already.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2006, 06:10:09 PM »

Shelagh- no problem!  I didn't actually send the link to Bev because I don't have her email, but that link is the one I posted above.  If you can forward that to her via email, to should help calm her a bit.  It's pretty disgusting, but at least it's not life threatening.  She's got so much to deal with already.

Oh sorry I thought you PM'd her the link.  Well I did email her but just did copy and paste on the relevant info instead of all the gross stuff too...LOL

I was out for a good bit today at the vets, so I got her email late.  Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2006, 11:05:11 PM »

I actually learned about warbles when I was doing a search on The Labrador Retriever Dogs Chatboard about blackheads on dogs.  I had found one on Buddy, my lab, and wanted to know if it was normal.  So, I really was just passing on what I had read in the past.

Thank you for helping her so much!
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2006, 01:36:44 AM »

While a cutrebra will eventually come out on it's own, it is important for her to get it out now. While nursing a litter she needs to be as healthy as she can be, a cutrebra will be draining on her energy resources. Daniel had permanent damage because of his parasite. It would be tragic if you lost the mother and had nursing babies. I would take her and the babies to the vet and see if the vet can remove it without knocking her out. They will have a much better array of tools and extra hands.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2006, 01:38:39 AM »

While a cutrebra will eventually come out on it's own, it is important for her to get it out now. While nursing a litter she needs to be as healthy as she can be, a cutrebra will be draining on her energy resources. Daniel had permanent damage because of his parasite. It would be tragic if you lost the mother and had nursing babies. I would take her and the babies to the vet and see if the vet can remove it without knocking her out. They will have a much better array of tools and extra hands.

Ditto.  I wouldn't wait for something like that to come out on it's own. 
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