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Author Topic: Peanut and her tilty head - Goodbye little Peanut 5/7/08  (Read 3076 times)
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« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2008, 07:14:17 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2008, 07:22:40 AM »

Yay, I'm so happy Peanut is doing better!!!  Hyper
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« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2008, 06:13:09 PM »

I'm glad to hear Peanut is feeling better.

Might want to ask your vet if the injection she gave is something you can give orally, once a week or every few days.

No sterioid injection lasts for 3 weeks.
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« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2008, 08:02:25 PM »

Just going with what the vet said about the duration of the steroid.  Perhaps that's only as often as they will administer it?
Mom just told me she used to get steroid injections into her knee which lasted 6 weeks each time.  I'll trust my vet that this one's going to last the 3... and hopefully it does!  Peanut's like a new ratty, almost!

Peanut's still doing great.  She's running around dribbling (marking) on everything again, and is even able to groom her face with both her front and back feet.  She can stand, run (walk quickly? lol), and even munched on a lab block while I held it for her.  She's still getting her Ensure Plus as a staple, however.  I'm soaking a lab block as a test for her for later.
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« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2008, 09:06:08 PM »

 Blue Dumbo Smile  I wish Peanut a speedy recovery!
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« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »

The last two or three days, Peanut's balance has been bad-off again.  She's leaning far to the right and is having extreme difficulty standing/walking.  We added prednisone twice a day to see if it helps, but it hasn't.

Despite that, she was eating vigorously and just fine until this morning.  She wants to eat... but she's unable to move her mouth/tongue/swallow or something like she was doing up until now.

Took her to the vet's to get 5cc's of fluids and learned how to restrain her to do so in case I need to give her fluids this weekend.

She could have developed diabetes from the tumor. It is not a sugar diabetes... I forget the exact issues it causes, but, if that's the case, the fluids could be more important than just for hydration!  Aha... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus

I'm giving her a break to rest right now and will try feeding again soon to see if the fluids made any difference.
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« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2008, 06:09:14 PM »

I would say her PT progression is on track.  She won't bounce back one of these days...sadly this is a normal state for rats suffering from PT. Sad

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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2008, 07:34:56 AM »

I'm so sorry to hear Peanut is having such rough time again.  Sad
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« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2008, 03:51:38 PM »

Hey guys Smiley I appreciate all the info and help.

I'm getting some Ensure in her again.  Slowly, but surely!  She really wants to eat, so it just requires a little patience on both our parts.

Going to see about giving her more fluids tonight when my brother is home to hold her for me.
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« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2008, 08:43:53 PM »

Like I said before, any chance the vet can either show you how to give her the steroid injections or try giving it to her orally?  Sounds like it helped for a few days.
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« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2008, 10:25:05 PM »

{{{{{{{{healing and comfort vibes for Peanut }}}}}}}}} Heart

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« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2008, 12:34:23 AM »

Looks like the injection she got Monday was a form of prednisone. 

I have a question... what would make Peanut's incisor fall out?  I just found her top right incisor.  There's nothing left where it was... just a hole (healed over).  No blood anywhere where she's been (her carrier... covers/hammocks/cubes). 

I've been giving her oral prednisone again on the vet's advice, but it has made no difference that I can tell.  I gave her more SQ fluids this afternoon.  She's eating with more ease today than she was yesterday.

But why in the world would her tooth fall out?  It doesn't appear to have been knocked out or broken... it just looks like it fell right out.  It looks like a healthy color... maybe a little blood staining around the "top" where I assume it was connected.

She'll be going in Monday, if possible, to get her remaining teeth trimmed... at least her bottom right which is long.  It seems ridiculous to have to get it trimmed once a week, but it really is growing fast and not being worked down at all.
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« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2008, 12:44:13 AM »

Ok... I looked in poor light, so I decided to feel the spot with the tip of my finger.  Feels like the tooth broke off right at the gum-line.  But still.... how?? why??  The tooth was found in the back of the carrier... there's nothing she could have hit it on back there... unless she fell out of her hammock in the front of the carrier and hit it and spat it out back there.

Poor girl.  And the bottom right is growing bent off to the side, if that gives any further info on why it needs trimming every week Sad
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« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2008, 09:24:27 AM »

Hope she's feeling better soon, keep her comfortable.

As for the tooth, could be when it was trimmed it also got cracked up near the gumline and the person trimming the teeth did not see it.  Could very well be from her previous tooth trim.
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« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2008, 10:22:20 AM »

Whew.  Thank you, Jen!

We've been cuddling a lot lately.  She starts bruxing/boggling when I'm stroking her from nose to tail.  Smiley
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« Reply #75 on: March 09, 2008, 11:15:46 AM »

Whew.  Thank you, Jen!

We've been cuddling a lot lately.  She starts bruxing/boggling when I'm stroking her from nose to tail.  Smiley

Your welcome.  Just make sure that if you are continuing to get her teeth trimmed while she is still with you the person doing it is doing it right.  I acn't express that enough.  Trimming teeth when its not needed can really screw them up and further more it can be really painful to the rat.  You know how your cracked teeth feel like when you've broken a tooth ot have a bad cavity, same thing with a rat if the crack is too far up into the gumline and it cracks above the root.

Personally I would keep on eye on her teeth and if they are looking ok and the cracked one is growing in at the right angle still, I WOULD NOT TRIM HER TEETH AGAIN  Its more stress than she needs right now.

If you are going to ask for experienced rat peoples' opinions and not listen to those giving you good information, whats the point in asking.

That being said.  I hope Peanut it comfortable.  Kisses to the little girl.

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« Reply #76 on: March 09, 2008, 12:06:31 PM »

Peanut's bottom right tooth is almost touching the roof of her mouth.  It would be touching if it wasn't growing off to the side.  It needs to be trimmed.  I ask my vet to trim only if she thinks they need to be trimmed, and she only does so if she thinks they are at that point.

I am listening to your advice and have been with every single post. 
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« Reply #77 on: March 09, 2008, 04:14:39 PM »

She's back up and walking/running again.  It must be the fluids.

Going to alternate giving her something like smart water or gatoraid.. something with electrolytes, etc, instead of sticking her every day.  Alternate that with her ensure Smiley

See how that goes!  Hopefully it works.  I don't want to have to stick her once a day!
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« Reply #78 on: March 10, 2008, 11:46:39 AM »

I'm so sorry about your Peanut.
My first rat death (Frannie) was due to a insanely fast acting PT.  She didn't respond to steriods and had to be PTS about 36 hours after she first started getting bad.  It was not a fun experience and I am sorry you are dealing with it. *hugs*

When I've got rats who aren't drinking well, I give them coconut water.  It's like a natural sports drink - full of good stuff like potassium, etc.  They love it since it's sweet and yummy.  Make sure you get the stuff that's 100% coconut water/juice and not full of added stuff.  Vitacoco is a good brand.  As long as it has no added sugars/crap it'll be good.  I prefer using that over the more processed, additive filled stuff like typical sports drinks.  Your mileage may vary!

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« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2008, 12:19:33 AM »

I thought coconut milk was a laxative?

I got Peanut some Smart Water, but she wasn't interested in drinking it from a dropper.  Or pedialyte.  Picky stinker.

The vet said the idea was a good one, but it would take a lot of the water/pedialyte/sports drink to have any real benefit.  She said to do it if Peanut would cooperate, but it doesn't look like that's the case.  She'll be getting sub-q fluids once a day as needed.  I'm pretty sure she needs it every day, because when I skipped a day, she lost her ability to balance/walk again.

Peanut has had wet poop since yesterday.  Nothing has changed in her diet... if you can call it that.  Any ideas??

The vet agrees that Peanut will need her teeth clipped every week if they continue to grow as fast as they gave been for the past few weeks.  Of course, only if they are too long or growing in odd directions.
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« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2008, 06:36:43 AM »

Oral fluids are the best most natural way to go, sub-q should only be if totally necessary.  See if she will drink ensure from a syringe.    My PT lasses drank from the syringe until the end.

So you think sub-q fluids are the only thing keeping her alive?  I use sub-q on a continual basis if the rat needs help getting better, but I don't think Peanut is going to. Sad

How much fluid is she getting daily?

I wonder if the wet poop is from too much fluids.
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« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2008, 08:36:24 AM »

I don't think she needs fluids to stay alive;  I think she needs fluids to function properly (ie: moving, standing, grooming). 

Peanut eats lots of Ensure on a daily basis through an eyedropper, but the Ensure doesn't seem to contain the electrolytes she needs.  I've offered her water and pedialyte in the dropper, but she wasn't interested in either.

The vet gave me some high fiber Critical Care stuff for herbivores this morning.  It was the only thing she had on hand that she thought might help with the wet poop.

We've been giving her 5cc's of sub-q at a time.
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« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2008, 02:11:39 PM »

Ratlets - I have been watching this thread but not really commenting since I have no experience on PTs.

Wasn't she on antibiotics? That could upset the stomach and cause the loose bowel movements. Benebac or some yogurt (esp. the type with active cultures) should help her stomach.

Maybe it is a side-effective of one of the medications? Some fiber really might help firm things up too. I just wanted to throw that out there.

Discuss both with your vet and see what they suggest.


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« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2008, 09:31:29 AM »

GOOD NEWS!

Peanut did NOT lose ANY weight last week!!  She managed this even with not wanting to eat hardly anything for two days.

The vet called in some Bromocriptine for Peanut to be compounded.  We are going to try and see if this will shrink the tumor.  We're also considering oral melatonin.

Hope the bromocriptine works!! I don't know how likely it is... it only works on the one type of pituitary tumor.  I hope that's what Peanut has.
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