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« on: March 26, 2008, 10:17:38 AM »

I put a deposit on an over priced condo in Maine because I want to move back to Maine and to be closer to a guy I am dating. Everything went well at first, pets are allowed and dogs under 20 pounds are allowed. I told them I foster rats from time to time. No problem.  I get the call today that I can't have rats because its in the rules. I said I didn't see it in the written rules and he tells me the condo association won't allow rats. They must have just made up this rule after my deposit on the condo. I said ok and asked for my deposit back and he said he will tell the realtor. I thought living in a condo would be hassle free because I would not have the exterior maintenace and snow plowing to worry about. I am going to look for a house and then I can have any pet I want.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2008, 10:24:00 AM »

I put a deposit on an over priced condo in Maine because I want to move back to Maine and to be closer to a guy I am dating. Everything went well at first, pets are allowed and dogs under 20 pounds are allowed. I told them I foster rats from time to time. No problem.  I get the call today that I can't have rats because its in the rules. I said I didn't see it in the written rules and he tells me the condo association won't allow rats. They must have just made up this rule after my deposit on the condo. I said ok and asked for my deposit back and he said he will tell the realtor. I thought living in a condo would be hassle free because I would not have the exterior maintenace and snow plowing to worry about. I am going to look for a house and then I can have any pet I want.

I want to see you drive back and forth to NH every day in your tiny car in the snow! You're better off buying a house than being at the mercy of a condo association. I had to deal with a homeowners' association at one time, the president came to my house taking pictures of the cat condo sitting in my front yard because it was "unsightly."
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 10:36:31 AM »

Maybe the lingo is different on the east coast and west coast, but here condo means something YOU own, versus apartment being something you rent. Unless you're leasing the condo directly from the person who owns it, I don't see how they can tell you what to put in your OWN property.

Tell them you are planning on permanently adopting a pet hamster and see what they say. I bet that won't be a problem. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 10:37:40 AM »

Yup. Condos are basically expensive apartments that you cant walk away from.

I would Neeever ever live in a condo. Too many rules. too many jerk off people making blanket decisions that you have to follow. As well as having the chance of having super crappy neighbors that cant get kicked out because they "own" the condo next to yours.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 10:48:50 AM »

Condos are basically an evil combination of apartment rental and home ownership. They're neither. You don't have to shovel or mow, but "the man" can still tell you what to do.

Hopefully you'll be able to figure something out... but I would beware of lying at this point...
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 10:53:42 AM »

Maybe the lingo is different on the east coast and west coast, but here condo means something YOU own, versus apartment being something you rent. Unless you're leasing the condo directly from the person who owns it, I don't see how they can tell you what to put in your OWN property.

Tell them you are planning on permanently adopting a pet hamster and see what they say. I bet that won't be a problem. Roll Eyes

I was buying the condo, not renting. Houses aren't selling too well now so I can grab something affordable in Southern Maine not have to answer to anyone.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2008, 11:03:55 AM »



I want to see you drive back and forth to NH every day in your tiny car in the snow!

I knew you would ask me that!!  Actually about 10 people asked me that already. Yea, snow driving in my car is not good and I am looking into another vehicle or I can take the Downeaster that stops where I work.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2008, 01:40:42 PM »

Condos are basically an evil combination of apartment rental and home ownership. They're neither. You don't have to shovel or mow, but "the man" can still tell you what to do.


Hmm well we have a townhome and I LOVE it. I have owned it for about seven years now with no trouble from "the man". The only "demands" we've had are general upkeep, such as replacing the screens on the windows, and even then they brought a man from home depot out to do a demonstration on how to rescreen them yourself for much less. I love knowing that the lawns and buildings always look so nice. Our association is run by tenants and there are always votes on major things. I love not having the hassle of worrying about structure and yard maintenace. Call me weird Wink The no rats thing though seems odd, since we own our unit, no one has the right to tell us what pets we can have in it. Something seems off about that one.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2008, 02:16:49 PM »

Condos are basically an evil combination of apartment rental and home ownership. They're neither. You don't have to shovel or mow, but "the man" can still tell you what to do.

Hopefully you'll be able to figure something out... but I would beware of lying at this point...

I don't think I could ever live in a condo; even though you get plowing and outside maintenance done you pay for that in the monthly condo fees. You can buy a house and pay somebody to plow and shovel and make out better in the long run with being able to have the pets you want.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2008, 02:45:44 PM »

We live in a condo with our small herd, 10 rats to be exact, and its gone very well so far.  Been here since last June and we have no problems whatsoever with the other people or the association.  Of course, our place beyond the parking rules and noise issues after a certain time, seems to be very hands off and we are all allowed to have pets.  There are no pets that are not allowed.

I own the place for gods' sakes, if I want to have a pet they have no say.  Unless of course its a horse.   Cheeky

Its much better than the apartment we used to live in that flooded every other month.  The building is in much better shape and people care about their places more.

I'd have to agree with Jolie on the part that it seems odd they want to tell you no rats if you would own the place.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2008, 04:31:39 PM »

Around here it's getting to where even if you own a house in a development they tell you what you can and cannot dog.  It's crazy to me.  So far I can do whatever I want...well, for the most part...I still live in town and cannot have "farm" animals but....no limit on how many dogs, cats, birds, reptiles or rodents I can have.   Grin
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 09:36:10 PM »

I've lived in my condo for 15 years, and there are pet restrictions.  2 pets max, dog/cat, typical housepets.  I don't believe any kind of rodents (rat, hamster, whatever) are allowed, but how hard is it to hide it?  Up until last week, I had 4 dogs, and 2 cats.  One dog went to a new home, cats went to rescue organization, and I got a rat.  Even my neighbors don't know how many I have, as they always see me with different animals (I foster for a dog rescue).

Just don't volunteer the information.

On condo living in general... it's good if you don't want to be bothered with yard work, external maintenance (painting, cleaning, blah, blah, blah).  I'm lucky that my association isn't run like a gestapo outfit, the only time they've seen me is when they needed one more person for a quorum for a special meeting, and they knocked on my door to ask me to be that person so the meeting can be held.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 12:23:08 AM »

In theory, just not saying anything may work. Many have the same thought to renting.

The thing is, that you may be breaking a legal contract. If found out, you could be forced to re-home your animals or be forced to move. Depends on what the contract says. I lived in a condo for 5 years, though we leased from the owner of the particular condo unit. The landlord had no problem with any pets, and while the home association chanced their policies later on, our pets were grandfathered in. However, they may have every right to take action, including legal, against you if you're caught breaking the rules.

Just wanted to toss that out there. We've had rats surrendered because the owners broken leases (don't believe a condo situation had been a factor, though I know that legally, you are expected to adhere to the association rules and.. at least we... may sign a contract with the association) and either had to remove the animals, or be evicted. It's a fine line to walk. Maybe you'll never be found out, but many people who snuck in pets thought the same thing, until they were forced to make a choice... :\ (Re-home pets; keep pets and risk eviction/legal issues but fight against it; move.)

All that said, though it's no longer an issue for us, as I won't rent/buy from anywhere that doesn't want my pets there, period. They're entitled to setting the rules as they see fit, and if I don't agree to them, then it's not a good fit. I - personally - don't want to add more paranoia into my life (I have more than enough!) by breaking any rules. Especially when it comes to animals. That's my thing, though. Blue Dumbo Smile

hannahchase - That's a real blow that they said one thing and then changed their decision. That said, it's probably better to steer clear of an association that does that anyway. Best to find out in advance, then have them be wishy-washy after you've bought and moved in, right?
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2008, 08:24:42 AM »

Maybe the lingo is different on the east coast and west coast, but here condo means something YOU own, versus apartment being something you rent. Unless you're leasing the condo directly from the person who owns it, I don't see how they can tell you what to put in your OWN property.

Tell them you are planning on permanently adopting a pet hamster and see what they say. I bet that won't be a problem. Roll Eyes

I was buying the condo, not renting. Houses aren't selling too well now so I can grab something affordable in Southern Maine not have to answer to anyone.

If you BUY something you can do what you want with it! The person I bought my house from can't tell me what pets I can have, why is a condo that you BUY any different?
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2008, 08:28:58 AM »

hannahchase - That's a real blow that they said one thing and then changed their decision. That said, it's probably better to steer clear of an association that does that anyway. Best to find out in advance, then have them be wishy-washy after you've bought and moved in, right?

This is true... if they flip-flopped on that, what ELSE will they flip-flop on after you've bought the place and moved in?
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2008, 01:45:00 PM »

If you BUY something you can do what you want with it! The person I bought my house from can't tell me what pets I can have, why is a condo that you BUY any different?

HAH.  If only it worked that way.  Condos have rules.  And a condo board... though I haven't entirely figured out what those people do yet other than be naysayers for things.  You sign on for that when you buy the place. 

We have lived in a condo (we own) for the past 2 years now.  They can tell you whatever they want.  In my building you can't even do any renovations (like pulling up carpet) without getting it approved by the board!  Of course they would need a good reason to say no, but they can also limit hours you are allowed to work on a project.

I can't stand the fact that I own my place -- yet can't do anything I want without approval from other people I don't even know.

BUT on the up side we don't have to shovel snow, or mow the lawns, and we don't have to pay for water or heat, we have unlimited access to a fitness room, and general maintenance of the building is all taken care of...

I hope you can find a small house hannah, then you can do whatever you want! 
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2008, 03:28:08 AM »

Even if you BUY a house you still have restrictions in any town.  The severity depends on the town.  I can't put a windmill on my property because it might fall on someone elses land and it would be over 3 stories tall.  Need permits to put up fencing etc... Need written neighbor permission to take down a line tree since they legally own half of it.  Can't own more than 3 dogs.  I can't build a concrete wall on my property lines all the way around and bunker myself in because it would block fire personnel from entering the premises.  And so on....

Some condo's are the size of apt's and they have pretty much the same restrictions.  My friends condo is only 900 sq feet and she's on the 3rd floor of a 4 floor building.  They have all kinds of restrictions.
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2008, 06:18:07 AM »

I live in a condo and I haven't had problems with my rats, and people know I have them because I'll take them to the pool in the summer (not in the pool enclosure but to the fence for my aunt to play with them). It's my dogs that drive my neighbors crazy. Just the fact that I have 2 of them, despite the fact that they're 13 years old and never go outside and are under 20 lbs. No one would ever see/hear them except I walk them every single day in the evening. I can no longer foster dogs because they might bark. OMG, a dog that might bark, what a concept! I'm sure they'd similarly fuss about the rats, if they knew how many I have.

Board associations do a lot of good things and there rules are in place for a reason, usually because they've had a problem with it before. Mine is currently working on putting in security for the carport, more lighting outside, and fixing the sidewalks. They've put in half a dozen trees and take care of the community pool.

Still, restrictions can feel frustrating, especially if you feel like you own it and can do whatever you want. I don't agree with that. The kids at school think the exact same thing. They paid for the class, therefore, they can text all class and go on myspace, despite the fact that they're inconveniencing everyone else in the class. I've seen them go toe-to-toe with the professor over it when nicely asked to stop. Just a different point of view on it.

Personally, if I had a choice, I wouldn't live in a condo. But as a student I don't have a lot of options and it's my grandmother's condo that I'm keeping up for her.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2008, 06:30:49 AM »

Unfortunately, it's probably best that you don't mention them at all.  The property owner doesn't know you from Adam/Eve and has visions of rats overtaking the place, which would cause a big problem for them.  I've found that, if I have to mention them at all, I say they're hamsters.  They seem to have a much better reputation, although for the life of me I can't understand why.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2008, 06:37:04 AM »

Even if you BUY a house you still have restrictions in any town.  The severity depends on the town.  I can't put a windmill on my property because it might fall on someone elses land and it would be over 3 stories tall.  Need permits to put up fencing etc... Need written neighbor permission to take down a line tree since they legally own half of it.  Can't own more than 3 dogs.  I can't build a concrete wall on my property lines all the way around and bunker myself in because it would block fire personnel from entering the premises.  And so on....

Some condo's are the size of apt's and they have pretty much the same restrictions.  My friends condo is only 900 sq feet and she's on the 3rd floor of a 4 floor building.  They have all kinds of restrictions.

Those types of restrictions are necessary and understandable; Hannah is talking about having rats inside a condo that she would own, that is not the same as building codes and town ordinances. I've heard of other places not allowing rats, snakes or ferrets, but other pets are ok.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2008, 10:10:30 AM »

If there is a "Covenant" that an owner has to sign (my homeowners association does) you may be stuck.  HOWEVER, they should have provided a copy of the covenant when you put your money down (or before).  If the condo association is resident - r un it would require a referendum - and vote - to changethe rules.  Make 'em show it to you in writing and ask when the restriction was enacted.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2008, 02:01:47 PM »

I was refering in general to the post in regards to buying the house and being able to do anything they want with it.  That's not entirely true.  There are entire towns where BSL is in place, dog # restrictions, dog size restrictions etc...  Condos are their own worlds, one may not like the ordinances, but they exist.  I don't agree with lieing about what you have for critters because it can come back to bite you later.  It's best to accept the fact the condo/neighborhood etc.. is odd.  Most towns also state you can't have chickens or other livestock - where do you draw the line?  It's a very grey area even in towns that are semi rural and people own some land let alone in essentially apt. style housing. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2008, 02:00:17 AM »

I own a condo (6yrs now), and there are no restrictions... you own anything inside, and nothing on the outside.  No restrictions to how I modify the inside, but I can't attach a satellite dish outside because it alters the outside appearance - doesn't mean that people listen to that though.  I can have any pets I want (see sig) and no one can say anything.  The mortgage is $600/mo for a 1br, almost 900 sq ft. space (and even a garage!) and $50/mo for the HOA.  Not too bad for owning.. much cheaper than renting an apt (as that money is just thrown away) and owning a house.  Each area is different though... it all depends on your HOA.  Personally, I am relatively happy with my HOA, I am unhappy about the parking issues there though.
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