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« on: May 07, 2008, 07:40:14 PM »

I tend to choose feeder rats over fancy rats because I know I am saving rat from being food to a snake. Am I making the wrong choices?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:21 PM »

Well I don't see a problem with it since you would be getting them from pet stores both rats are most likely going to have health issues. You will have to socialize the feeders because most often they are skiddish and sometimes nippy. I recently got 3 little manrats from the feeder bens. Well they are actually "pet rats" but hardly anybody goes there to get pets they are almost always used for feeders so they werny very social Sad. I have had mine for almost 4 weeks and I have used forced socialization and they have come a long way. I did have one nipper out of them (Hershey) but he didn't bite real hard but just enough to hurt. So I actually had to let him bite me so I could squeak so he could learn not to bite. Fortunately he got out of that in about 3 days. He is still the most skiddish out of the 3. All of them are still not fully socialized but they are coming around slowly but surely. You will just have to be up for that challenge if you decide on feeders. Sometimes it is best not to save the feeders and just get a regular pet rat. As bad as that sounds it's true. Feeders can sometimes be permanently damaged from their past experiences. Though most of the time they are too young to have any bad experiences. Also, a lot of times they are taken from their mother too early and that can cause malnutrition throughout their whole lives. I can't really say much since I rescued "feeders" but I have the time and money to work with them. Just I few things to think about.

On the plus side I feel that I'm going to have a very close relationship with my ex-feeders from spending so much quality time with them and being the first human they can trust. I felt really close to my boy (Pickle) the other day because I was walking around the house with him on my should getting him more used to it then my mom wanted to hold him and she put him on her shoulder and he pooped and peed on her like no other and I just felt like I am getting a good bond with them. It just feels like I'm the only human they trust and it just makes me feel so good inside. Like I'm their actual mom. And they lick me and groom me all the time. Ok I've been ranting throughout this whole thing so I'm just going to stop... lol

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EDIT* I forgot to say that I think it's great that me and you and a lot of other want to save rats from being fed to snakes. They will be just like normal pet rats with time. I say go for the feeders if you want to go through socializing them and you have money for vet bills if they become ill (it you get fancy rats too). Anything would be better than being fed to a snake.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 08:11:17 PM »

Well all of my girls are from the 'pet' cage. I love them just the same. If I could rescue or go for the feeders I really would. Infact I plan to next rat(s) that come my way. A lot of stores lately haven't been selling live feeder rats only mice. I guess thats good then. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 08:11:49 PM »

Our feeder rats have been just as awesome as the fancy ones.  I think it is all about your preference!  I like the idea of rescuing too!  
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 08:14:36 PM »

I have a feeling this is going to turn into one of those "it's not rescuing" threads.

All my ratties have come from feeder tanks... accept for two which were put up for adoption at a pet store.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 08:18:31 PM »

I have a feeling this is going to turn into one of those "it's not rescuing" threads.

All my ratties have come from feeder tanks... accept for two which were put up for adoption at a pet store.

Well I don't care what anyone say it IS rescuing. How can saving a little ratty from a painful death not be rescuing. I think if he's up to the challege then to go for it!

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 08:22:02 PM »

LOL on not rescuing.  To each his own...if you buy a feeder rat you are rescuing it from snake food! I understand where people are coming from in saying you shouldn't buy from a pet store because it contributes BUT we all have to do what we feel is right.  "Rescuing" isn't easy!  I have been doing rescue for 7 years now...started with dogs, then dogs and cats and an occasional small pet..now we do dogs and quite a few small pets but it is always an issue...just from pounds or owner surrenders too or out of the paper or do we take pit bulls or not and what if the dog bites or has a really expensive injury or this or that and my conclusion is...do the best YOU can!  That's it! Grin

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 08:22:43 PM »

all three of the girls i have are feeder rats...im getting another soon that is a rescue though....the thing with feeder rats is from most of the pet shops ive worked at/talked to the rats the sell as feeders ARE fancy rats..my rex was a feeder rat..i really see no difference besides buying a rat labeled pet or feeder except feeder rats are usually not handled so they are skittish and nippy compared to pet labeled ones..but there are some feeders who despite the lack of attention are very sweet and social..my girls were right away..

but as for the "rescuing" the rat from a feeder bin..its a great gesture to save them from being fed but the store will just replace them with another rat...so you are giving them money and they just buy another to feed..
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 08:50:20 PM »

I find they're typically no more difficult to socialize than fancy rats. Some of my best rats have been feeders. What really gets me are full grown whitey's in feeder tanks at Petco. I got two old boys in this situation and both were EXTREMELY sweet. The first lived to be at LEAST 3, but he was likely older than I originally estimated him, which would have put him at 4+ years when he died (he NEVER had a respiratory problem, he had heart disease and cataracts in his old age. He was medicated for the heart disease but there is no cure, so this is what got him in the end). He was the healthiest rat I've ever had. He was also sweet from the start. He'd just sit with me and let me pet him from day one. VERY calm.

My other adult PEW was much more skittish at first, but turned out to be one of my favorites. Learned to come when he was called, came to us for attention and love. He was a sweet rat. He was healthy the whole time I had him, but died MUCH too soon accidentally. We really miss him. The way I see it is often these rats are exposed to much more and need to build up stronger immune systems than many better bred rats. I had 7 rats from a breeder that all died at young ages. They were exposed to my other (healthy) pet store rats, but where all rats tend to carry things they may not show symptoms of, I believe that when the breeder rats who were sheltered and kept in prime conditions for so long were exposed to this they couldn't handle it. I've actually had much better luck with health with all my pet store rats than my 7 rats from the breeder. 

And there is little I feel better about in my life than taking home a big PEW rat from a feeder tank and giving him a good rest of his life. They will ALWAYS sell feeder rats in pet stores, in my opinion, because reptile owners need them. In my opinion, purchasing a FANCY rat is worse than purchasing a feeder rat. Because it's possible they won't carry fancy rats if there's no market, but keeping feeder rats in stock doesn't seem like something that will stop. And the large rats, especially don't sell well. When I got my last full grown white boy the pet shop employee said these particular rats had been there for at least 6 months- when he started working there. Clearly snake owners didn't need such large rats, but overstock in small rats leads to large rats. I'd rather not see them live there for half their lives only to die in a ten gallon overcrowded tank... and it seems almost an unavoidable situation considering what they're sold for.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 08:58:08 PM »

Fancy rats are domesticated rats. Feeder rats are "fancy" rats also, so it's all the same.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 09:22:54 PM »

I dont know of any breeders in my area so I have not choice but to go the pet store route when it comes to obtaining rats. I have had a a few fancy rats as well but I always feel sad when I see the poor white rats sitting there only to be sold as food. The feeder rats I have rescued have been great pets and no better or worse than the fancy rats I have had. Most people at the pet stores commend me for buying the feeder rats for pets and not food. I do understand that snakes have to eat too but at least it wont be from my ratties. I have 3 new boy white rats and I cant tell them apart. One seems to like me alot and always wants to sit on my shoulder and lick my neck and groom my hair lol. Thank you for all the replies and I am glad to find out that feeder rats are no different than fancy rats.

Yes I have noticed that almost all the rats I have obtained from pet stores have developed health problems Sad Hopefully my next rats will be from a local or semi-local breeder.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 09:32:23 PM »

feeder rats ARE fancy rats....there is really no difference in that aspect...

petstores will sometimes sell only PEWs as feeders but they ARE a type of fancy rat...the only reason the say feeder and fancy as petstores is so they can sell one more expensive than another..but they are ALL fancy rats
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 10:19:37 PM »

I'm sure everyone here knows that "feeders" are "fancys" and are just using those terms to distinguish the difference in the way they're sold.
Anyway, all of my babies from the feeder tank have been sweethearts! I've had absolutely no problems with socialization, and only one who had hormonal agression. in fact, every one of my favorite rats has been from the feeder tank. I definitely see it as rescuing, if you don't take that ickle rattie home it WILL be bought by someone else, and for much less pure reasons! The thing is, they have so many health problems!!! I lost 4 rats in less than 2 months not long ago, 3 of them had major and numerous bouts with myco also. My other feeder boy has had probably 10 abscesses in his 2 years, myco, and head tilt! Oh yes, and this same group also had Sendai Virus. I can't deal with getting sick rats anymore, worrying that they'll die too early from a chronic illnesses, and that they'll have a horrid virus when I bring them home to begin with. So from now on it is breeder rats for me, my two little AMR girls have been EXCEPTIONALLY healthy in their 18 months.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 11:00:50 PM »

I'm sure everyone here knows that "feeders" are "fancys" and are just using those terms to distinguish the difference in the way they're sold.
Anyway, all of my babies from the feeder tank have been sweethearts! I've had absolutely no problems with socialization, and only one who had hormonal agression. in fact, every one of my favorite rats has been from the feeder tank. I definitely see it as rescuing, if you don't take that ickle rattie home it WILL be bought by someone else, and for much less pure reasons! The thing is, they have so many health problems!!! I lost 4 rats in less than 2 months not long ago, 3 of them had major and numerous bouts with myco also. My other feeder boy has had probably 10 abscesses in his 2 years, myco, and head tilt! Oh yes, and this same group also had Sendai Virus. I can't deal with getting sick rats anymore, worrying that they'll die too early from a chronic illnesses, and that they'll have a horrid virus when I bring them home to begin with. So from now on it is breeder rats for me, my two little AMR girls have been EXCEPTIONALLY healthy in their 18 months.

Yeah I once bought an older female rat with head tilt from the petshop because nobody wanted her Cry She was the sweetest rat and I was always proud of her when she first learned to climb etc. because it was so difficult for her with her head tilt.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 11:15:27 PM »

Ahh yes the rescue from the feeder bin debate. 

I also say that you are "saving a life" when you buy from the feeder bin, when there's a purchase price involved its "saving" not "rescuing" (adoption fees are not prices btw).

I rescue myself.  I get those feeder rats second hand...hehe.

Dilbert (well known on here) was a feeder rat as I am sure most of mine are.

BUT also remember that sometimes the only difference between a feeder and a pet sold rat is their colour/markings...the less desirable rats out of a litter often get thrown into the feeder bin but they are the same as their siblings  Puppy Dog Eyes:
Btw The Rat Fancy is actually the owning of pet rats not the actual rats themselves 
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2008, 11:37:30 PM »

I'm in the same situation, I haven't found a breeder in southern New Mexico, so mine are feeders. My  Heart rat Kakie came form the worst pet store I have even been in. The kind straight out of a horror flick, dark, dingy, no food bowls, just food thrown on top of the pine bedding. But since there old as feeders, they can get away with it. I was about to just say "Thank you" and walk out (after the 1.5 hr drive to get there, since there seemed to be a shortage on females) but I looked in the tank anyhow... The Cinnamon pearl (right, red color with a blue undercoat) caught my eye, bigger/older the what I wanted, but I put my hand in, and she climbed right on top of it. Had to take her home...really just didn't have a choice. She has been the coolest female ever, and I have had rats on and off for most of my life. I'm SO glad I took her. Ill NEVER go back to the shop, but I have my baby.  love4
The other 3 I got from a "breeder" kinda. She breeds and takes good care of the babies, then screens them for temperament. the one that are less friendly go to the "feeder bin" and the more mellow/ friendly ones are sold as pets, and you have to call her in advanced to see the pets. The other 3 are really great as well, still hand skittish, but one you have them in your arms they are very friendly. And once they go back into the cage they wan right back out. I think once they are old enough to completely free range, they'll be perfect  Grin

When I usually go in for a pet rat, I'm rarely look for certain colors, I play with all of them, and the ones that pick me get to come home.
...although, there have been one or two occasions where they...ummm....ahem... followed me home. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. (least, while my husband is in the room  )
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2008, 11:53:18 PM »

Oh Wow lilspaz68.  Please let me know that the way I have read your last comment is not that you are above the rest of us in how you have "saved" ratties!!! To me there is no difference between rescuing or saving from a pet store.  How could you possibly say that saving is second hand He He.  Then you go on to say somethiing about owning  fancy rats.  Please clarify becauce i'm not getting a good vibe from you. I have rescued and "saved" and to me there is not a whole lot of difference.  Everyone I have in my home (21) to me has been saved/rescued from something.  As long as they are with someone who loves and cares for them does it really matter!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2008, 11:56:42 PM »

Oh Wow lilspaz68.  Please let me know that the way I have read your last comment is not that you are above the rest of us in how you have "saved" ratties!!! To me there is no difference between rescuing or saving from a pet store.  How could you possibly say that saving is second hand He He.  Then you go on to say somethiing about owning  fancy rats.  Please clarify becauce i'm not getting a good vibe from you. I have rescued and "saved" and to me there is not a whole lot of difference.  Everyone I have in my home (21) to me has been saved/rescued from something.  As long as they are with someone who loves and cares for them does it really matter!!!!


i think she was saying that she takes in peoples unwanted rats that probably come from feeder bins...so itd be like a second hand feeder...so take clothes for example if you buy it straight from the store its first hand...but if you get it after someone else owned it its second hand..so she has feeder rats second hand...she was given a feeder rat someone else owned and no longer wanted
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2008, 11:59:13 PM »

In my opinion, you might be feeding the industry a little more, but that "rescue" matters to the individual rat that you saved. As long as you realize that and aren't completely oblivious to how this game works, then go ahead and "rescue" one from the store, we're all entitled to an unofficial rescue (or a few).
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2008, 12:00:06 AM »

As I understood it, she wasn't saying "saving is secondhand" just that the rats that she rescues are usually surrenders at the shelter, or older rats on Craig's list, that sort. Most of which were originally feeders that people got board with, making them "second hand" as in shes the seconed hand to handle them.

But please correct me if Im wrong  Tongue

Also, my local shelter dosent deal with small animals, I believe they are just euthinized. They might possably take them in if they know someone is willing to take them though. The closest "shelter rat" is a 9 hr drive. everyone once in a while they pop up on Craig's list, but its really few...so, its usually off to the petstore for me. I do try to pick the better stores. The cleaner ones that upkeep their animals better.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2008, 12:18:16 AM »

Oh Wow lilspaz68.  Please let me know that the way I have read your last comment is not that you are above the rest of us in how you have "saved" ratties!!! To me there is no difference between rescuing or saving from a pet store.  How could you possibly say that saving is second hand He He.  Then you go on to say somethiing about owning  fancy rats.  Please clarify becauce i'm not getting a good vibe from you. I have rescued and "saved" and to me there is not a whole lot of difference.  Everyone I have in my home (21) to me has been saved/rescued from something.  As long as they are with someone who loves and cares for them does it really matter!!!!
Read some of her past posts - there is no bad vibe you should get from her at all. She's an angel in the best sense of the word when it comes to helping rats in need.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2008, 12:31:42 AM »

You know it's so hard to understand when you are talking this way!  Here's my voice:  I have 21 ratties 6 are from an unsuspected pregnancy, one rescue, the rest from different pet stores.  I have, Hooded, PEWS, Dumbos, and who knows what else, I have never looked at them as what their lineage is just that they would not be in these small aquariums with no one to take care for them and love them.  So to me, there should be no debate about saved or rescued because they all are saved and rescued.  To say that we have "feed into it" so be it!  I have still "saved at least more ratties than most people.  If I had more room I would save more.  If I had more time and money, I would make sure that no more ratties would go unloved or sold as feeders!! But don't we all wish for that!!
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2008, 12:43:59 AM »

You know it's so hard to understand when you are talking this way!  Here's my voice:  I have 21 ratties 6 are from an unsuspected pregnancy, one rescue, the rest from different pet stores.  I have, Hooded, PEWS, Dumbos, and who knows what else, I have never looked at them as what their lineage is just that they would not be in these small aquariums with no one to take care for them and love them.  So to me, there should be no debate about saved or rescued because they all are saved and rescued.  To