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Quote from: strangeduck on May 08, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Alot of rescues are operating on a shoestring as it is. Plenty of people will help the cute little kitties and puppies, but rats? Alot of people who are involved with rescues put their own money up for cages and bedding and food. They advertise where they can...on free websites and boards, but they don't always have the money for hosting and a domain name. After all....if you have the choice of feeding your rescues or paying for a website, that's a pretty easy choice.
Oh, I agree, which is why freewebs and geocities are good options. The latter requires a yahoo address, I believe, but that could be beneficial, I suppose? I know I saw one rat rescue recently advertise on craigslist, which I think is a brilliant idea, as it gets people willing to adopt and wanting to surrender. Petfinder is also a great idea, though again....if there are Texas rescues advertising on petfinder outside of Huston, I sure don't see 'em. I mean, there are PLENTY of options, they just need to be USED.
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ok since some people find it inconvienant to research and find out where rescues and such are....Im going to go ahead and look into purchasing a site to start a list that links to rescue sites with locations and contact info as well and other important info...so ill do some research on how much itll cost me and ill make a post later on...ill need some help finding info though
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Quote from: chaoticserenity on May 08, 2008, 11:12:34 PM
ok since some people find it inconvienant to research and find out where rescues and such are....Im going to go ahead and look into purchasing a site to start a list that links to rescue sites with locations and contact info as well and other important info...so ill do some research on how much itll cost me and ill make a post later on...ill need some help finding info though
Seriously, use geocities. Get a yahoo address and a template and its all free. Doesn't crash, and though the ads are a bit annoying, its really useful.
And like I said...where are all these rescues your mom knows of advertised? Why don't they post here, or on craigslist, or anything like that?
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i never said they were advertised..my mother is an ACO so she is in contact with shelters and rescues..
but here is one site that lists a few rescues
http://www.heartoftexasrats.com/Rescue.htm
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Quote from: chaoticserenity on May 08, 2008, 11:12:34 PM
ok since some people find it inconvienant to research and find out where rescues and such are....Im going to go ahead and look into purchasing a site to start a list that links to rescue sites with locations and contact info as well and other important info...so ill do some research on how much itll cost me and ill make a post later on...ill need some help finding info though
Seriously, use geocities. Get a yahoo address and a template and its all free. Doesn't crash, and though the ads are a bit annoying, its really useful.
with site makers like that you have very limited space to have a full site....plus im not to fond of those makers...id rather do it all myself
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Quote from: chaoticserenity on May 08, 2008, 11:12:34 PM
ok since some people find it inconvienant to research and find out where rescues and such are....Im going to go ahead and look into purchasing a site to start a list that links to rescue sites with locations and contact info as well and other important info...so ill do some research on how much itll cost me and ill make a post later on...ill need some help finding info though
1and1 and godaddy are some good places to start. They have cheap domain name/website builder packages. I know there are several breeder/rescue listings already, but most are light on rescues and heavy on breeders.
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Quote from: chaoticserenity on May 08, 2008, 11:15:52 PM
i never said they were advertised..my mother is an ACO so she is in contact with shelters and rescues..
but here is one site that lists a few rescues
http://www.heartoftexasrats.com/Rescue.htm
The pocketangels site is new--I could have sworn they didn't have that when I checked last. Its disgustingly adorable, though. I wonder why its not been updated on the heartoftexas site?
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I can't really say if buying a feeder rat is "rescuing," but doing so wouldn't be my personal choice. Almost all my rats are rescues from Rattie Ratz. Most came from shelters where they would be euthaized if they didn't come into the foster system. I feel horribly for feeders, trust me, but whenever you buy a feeder rat, another rat replaces it. It's a never-ending cycle. As someone said before, at least live feeder rats have a chance to kill the snake before they.. you know. A rat being euthanized at a shelter has no shot unless someone steps in. And adopting that rat does not profit a large company that mistreats animals for profit. In an ideal world everyone would purchase rats from breeders, no one would hoard rats or buy them from pet stores, and snakes would all eat frozen prey, but since that's an unlikely reality I feel great rescuing rats from a great organization.
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a petstore i once worked at sold live feeders and for every rat they sold they ordered 3 more to replace it...often times most of the feeders would get so large people wouldnt buy them...they suffered a horrible death all because nobody bought them...i quit after a week...they eventually got shut down but not because of how they treated the rats..but because the rats were sick, mite infested, etc and were making peoples snakes sick
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Freewebs.com as well as yahoo geocities both have options where you just have to choose a template and pop in content. No web knowledge needed. If there's no one available, that's a pretty easy option. Both, in my experience, are fairly easy to use and reliable.
Again, I say. If you're going to go on about how easy it is, then why don't you volunteer to do a website for the rescues you're more than happy to complain about not having a website?
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Because this person is a troll...
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You're right, I know.
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Sadly, I don't know... I really think that this person actually believes what they're spewing.
Worse than a troll...
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You have a point, mandycoot, but every logical thing we come up with, falls on deaf ears, and is retorted with glib know-it-all, oversimplified answer. This person refuses to take a look at things from different perspectives, and is not contributing to the conversation anymore, so in my book, deserves to be treated as a troll.
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Ok so ive been looking at prices of sites (ive been debating on getting a personal one anyway) and they arent too bad....but im going to go ahead and use a free site until i can talk my hunny into letting me spend the money on it LoL....Im not the best at HTML and im still learning but if anybody knows a rescue out there without a site or someone who has rats they need adopted out please PM me id be happy to add a page to my site with pictures of the rats info about where they are located and contact info. i frequent a lot of forums and chat sites most not even for rats and this site (the one im making) will be listed as my site so people who visit will be able to see the rats needing homes and maybe itll help atleast a little bit on finding homes..
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Wow, I woke up and this hadn't been locked yet. Hehe.
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Also, I learned in twenty minutes not to use a tank, the size of a cage I should use for four rats, that rats are social animals, shavings are not acceptable bedding and, in fact, fleece was better, and how to make a hammock. I learned the best antibiotics for URIs, that spaying helps prevents tumors in female rats, and that hey, male rats can retract their testicles. I also, and perhaps more importantly, learned that rats are NOT cheap pets. Until a specific circumstance comes up, what more would I need? Food choices? Five more minutes and I found a link to SueBee's diet, another grain-based diet, a link to food that I shouldn't feed rats, and a comparison of lab blocks.
It isn't that hard.
Sorry to bring up something from a few pages back, but I'm confused about your conflicting statements.
First, rescues aren't easy enough to find. Yet, in 20 minutes you can find out "everything you need to know" about rats? And I believe that you've said other people are able to find all this information in 20 minutes too. If you and other people are so talented as to learn the proper care for an animal in 20 minutes, how much longer should it take you to learn about rescues and find a way to get a pet from them? 5 minutes?
Like other people have said, no knowing your options doesn't justify supporting pet mills. Also, if you can find people who will transport rats to you, it's not going to force you to take work off. Tons of people are willing to help get rats to their homes, you just have to look.
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I refuse to get into this debate and I have not read any of this word for word but I did want to point out that there is already a data bank of breeders and rescues...It is called The Ratster...
http://www.ratster.com/
So Chaotic...I wouldn't waste your time or money...It has already been done. I think you time might be better spent offering to web host for rescues who don't have web sites or time to build them.
I know I built mine myself but man did it take some time and it was a huge learning curve and my site is limited on what I can do since I do not know HTML at all. But I managed and now I am pretty satisfied with my site. I am sure other rescues are scared off by what it takes to build a site.
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Wow, this is ridiculous. I"m not a troll, obviously--I've posted in other threads and been here for several weeks. I started in this thread because people were questioning the moral characters of those who make different choices than themselves, which isn't at all acceptable. But I guess none of you know anything about that, do you? I haven't been "contributing to the conversation" because I've been, you know, busy. I have classes, have been looking for work, and trying to find a car so I can go to work. So sorry that you have unlimited time to respond; not all of us do.
Seriously, you people are asking the same questions over and over. I can't make a website because I don't know even basic coding, for one, and for two, I spend my time divided between looking for work and going to college. I don't have time to sit down and do all my homework half the time, let alone make an entire website. I looked for rescues in my area: there's one an hour away that JUST got a website. The rest don't advertise, and frankly, the only reason I know about them is from being here. Now, every rat owner in the world doesn't have an account here, so how can you expect them to know about the rescues in the area? I hear you all complaining the people should be researching their options, well, if their options don't advertise, how can you expect them to know about those options? In an age so heavily dependent on technology, there is absolutely no excuse for not taking five minutes to post about a rescue on craigslist: its free, it reaches a wide range of people, and it involves no coding knowledge at all. Sorry, there's not.
Honestly, its like talking to a brick wall! I make a statement, someone responds, I respond, and I get: "Well, well, you're just LAZY!" We're not talking about me, we're talking about a concept, and personal attacks aren't cool at all. Nor is questioning my moral character, whether or not I'm a troll, or whether or not I care about my pets. Look through my posts: have I ever stooped to calling a SINGLE one of you a name? Or questioned your character at all? There are times when going to a rescue is NOT an option: as I said, I know my circumstances aren't like that, but there ARE people who have that problem. Ragging on them because they're "supporting the system" is absolutely ridiculous.
With that, I'm seriously considering leaving this "community." So, if you don't see me "contributing to the conversation" anymore, I've opted out of continuing to ingest this vitriol.
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Wow, this is ridiculous. I"m not a troll, obviously--I've posted in other threads and been here for several weeks. I started in this thread because people were questioning the moral characters of those who make different choices than themselves, which isn't at all acceptable. But I guess none of you know anything about that, do you? I haven't been "contributing to the conversation" because I've been, you know, busy. I have classes, have been looking for work, and trying to find a car so I can go to work. So sorry that you have unlimited time to respond; not all of us do.
Seriously, you people are asking the same questions over and over. I can't make a website because I don't know even basic coding, for one, and for two, I spend my time divided between looking for work and going to college. I don't have time to sit down and do all my homework half the time, let alone make an entire website. I looked for rescues in my area: there's one an hour away that JUST got a website. The rest don't advertise, and frankly, the only reason I know about them is from being here. Now, every rat owner in the world doesn't have an account here, so how can you expect them to know about the rescues in the area? I hear you all complaining the people should be researching their options, well, if their options don't advertise, how can you expect them to know about those options? In an age so heavily dependent on technology, there is absolutely no excuse for not taking five minutes to post about a rescue on craigslist: its free, it reaches a wide range of people, and it involves no coding knowledge at all. Sorry, there's not.
Honestly, its like talking to a brick wall! I make a statement, someone responds, I respond, and I get: "Well, well, you're just LAZY!" We're not talking about me, we're talking about a concept, and personal attacks aren't cool at all. Nor is questioning my moral character, whether or not I'm a troll, or whether or not I care about my pets. Look through my posts: have I ever stooped to calling a SINGLE one of you a name? Or questioned your character at all? There are times when going to a rescue is NOT an option: as I said, I know my circumstances aren't like that, but there ARE people who have that problem. Ragging on them because they're "supporting the system" is absolutely ridiculous.
With that, I'm seriously considering leaving this "community." So, if you don't see me "contributing to the conversation" anymore, I've opted out of continuing to ingest this vitriol.
Actually, you've questioned our characters quite a bit. You've called us self-righteous and hypocritcal. What you need to understand is that the people who do work with rescues, have taken in abandoned rats, have seen the tragic ends that illbred petstore rats go through. We love our pets fiercely and it makes us physically ill when we think about the wretched circumstances that rat mill rats are born and frequently die in. That alone is enough to make us passionate about our desire to end the selling of all animals in pet stores. Go to your local shelter, you'll probably see cats, dogs, rabbits, guinea pigs, and often rats, sitting in cramped housing, losing their hope that some day life will be better. Talk with a shelter who doesn't have a no kill policy because they simply can't afford to keep animals indefinitely because new animals are coming in every day. Ask them what it feels like to euthanize animals who have committed no act other than being abandoned by people who didn't do their research and didn't know what they were getting into, or people who are moving and can't have their pets.
I don't ever want to drive anyone from this board because I think it's a valuable place for education on all animals. However, if someone insists on arguing that is okay to support the ratmill system because it's too hard not to, then we get angry and sad for the animals who suffer because someone didn't want to make an additional effort. Animals can't speak for themselves, and domesticated animals can't fend for themselves.
I've written letters to both Petco and Petsmart asking them to stop the sale of small animals. I've written to my congressman, Dan Lundgren for better protection for small animals, and got told that capitalism and the right to make money comes ahead of animal rights, because animals are posessions. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop, or that I'm going to stop trying to educate people about the suffering of pet store animals. I will always promote adoption or rescue or even purchasing from a reputable breeder who keeps their animals in humane conditions and is more concerned about the health and welfare of the animal than about the bottom line.
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I started in this thread because people were questioning the moral characters of those who make different choices than themselves, which isn't at all acceptable. But I guess none of you know anything about that, do you?
Don't have a clue why I'm bothering....
But shockingly enough, being a WASPy girl engaged to an Indian man - you'd be shocked at the abuse I get rained on me IRL. Being a liberal in my state - I've had people follow my car honking their horns and flipping me off for no reason other than I have the state Democratic party bumper sticker on my car.
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I can't make a website because I don't know even basic coding, for one, and for two, I spend my time divided between looking for work and going to college. I don't have time to sit down and do all my homework half the time, let alone make an entire website. I looked for rescues in my area: there's one an hour away that JUST got a website.
Then DON'T come preaching on how a rescue needs to have all the time in the world. I'm sick with RA, I work 60 hours a week for pay, am a heavy volunteer for local and state politics, and I still manage to drag some time in (maybe not much, and not enough) to help out local rescue. Usually it's just giving a rat or some rats rides 3-4 hours away. But it's something. I can't code a website, nor do I wish to learn how to. But even I know the freebie sites aren't worth setting up.
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Now, every rat owner in the world doesn't have an account here, so how can you expect them to know about the rescues in the area?
You don't have to have an account to read here. It's free to sign up here. It's an early pop up for rats on most search engines I've found. If GM isn't, RMCA is.
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In an age so heavily dependent on technology, there is absolutely no excuse for not taking five minutes to post about a rescue on craigslist: its free, it reaches a wide range of people, and it involves no coding knowledge at all. Sorry, there's not.
CL is not a good option for small animals. Go look on CL and look at all the feeders. Never mind all the "I'm sick of these stupid things, you can have the hamster cage they are living in also" that rescues take in time and time again.
So what. I'm wrong, fine. I'm usually called wrong and worse. Want my life, I'll be glad to give it up since apparently I've got too much time on my hands or something. YOU can hold the animals that are euthanized because they did nothing wrong other than be born in a society that feels living beings are disposable. YOU can live with my sick rats who are sick because they were born to a supplier, but since they were sick, they can't be sold - by the way, try not to get attached, they are dead in a few months at this rate. YOU are very very welcome to pay the cost of an e-section, turned spay that was nearly fatal to the rat. YOU are very welcome to the world in which heck, it's only a xxx, we can get rid of it and upgrade.
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