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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2008, 05:19:05 AM »
Thanks for sharing. I sure hope you get to the bottom of this.
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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2008, 06:02:14 AM »
I'm so sorry for your losses and hope you get to the bottom of this soon!
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2008, 12:51:09 PM »
So sorry this happened!But,you are sure doing everything you can for the surviving rats.Good luck!
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2008, 01:44:49 PM »
For those still watching this thread...

The pathohistology is in.... essentially, there's still no answer. All the organs show a bleeding out. There is no inflammation which would indicate a virus, an attack on the system. No worms, no crystals... nothing, except he bled out.
So, we are sending away more tissues and stomach content, this time looking for toxicity, specifically rat poison. It if does come back as such, we'll have to get the Harlan and the Oxbow tested.
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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2008, 04:32:45 PM »
Oh, boy! What a nightmare this has become for you. I sure hope you don't find any rat poison! That would just raise a whole other can of worms. I'd hate to think it came from either of those two foods.
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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2008, 08:32:42 PM »
Quote from: jorats on June 19, 2008, 01:44:49 PM
For those still watching this thread...

The pathohistology is in.... essentially, there's still no answer. All the organs show a bleeding out. There is no inflammation which would indicate a virus, an attack on the system. No worms, no crystals... nothing, except he bled out.

All the organs?  Oh, my god!
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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 04:48:52 PM »
Yesterday, I came home and found my Radar passed on, ...hematuria again. He was fine at 2pm, no signs of bleeding and then by 11pm, he was gone.
This morning, my Treat is bleeding. Like Boo, Radar didn't bleed much. But Treat is bleeding a lot. I got him to eat and drink lots. I hope that's a good sign, the two rats at my mom's that bled a ton made a full recovery.
I'm just devastated.  Worry
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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2008, 05:27:01 PM »
Oh, no!  Cry  I am so very sorry! It is very heartbreaking.

Have you considered changing out all your litter, food and water bottles in case it's something environmental?
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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2008, 05:52:49 PM »
I did that today, I ripped everything out of the cage, cleaned all the bowls, took the water bottle away. I took all the toys away, some are from the dollar store which could be of lower quality. I'm now using a new bag of HT.
I'll be bringing Radar in tomorrow for a postmortem.
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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2008, 07:20:54 PM »
Oh, no!  I'm so, so sorry.  Lead poisoning wouldn't do that, would it?

**I googled a few things, and it looks like lead poisoning can cause hematuria, but so can a bunch of other poisons.  Did your dr do a lead level test?
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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 07:54:45 PM »
JR1030, can you send me the links you found? I couldn't find anything.
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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2008, 08:39:42 PM »
Let's see...a few things just mention it briefly.

This one talks about a family eating out of containers with lead, and hematuria was one symptom.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6578733

This one talks about kids with lead poisoning having renal failure.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u12171345x12191k/

I'm still working on it...apparently lots of kinds of poisoning can cause that...rat poison, bracken, picric acid...oy.
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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2008, 09:22:48 PM »
I'm going to mention that to my vet, thanks!!
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2008, 10:01:55 PM »
This is horrible. Cry I just wish you could find some answers. Heart
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« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2008, 10:14:05 AM »
Treat is still alive this morning, but barely. I brought him to the vet and I also brought my Radar so we can have the tissues sent away as well.
The labs have asked for samples of our Harlan and Oxbow as it's looking more and more like a toxin.
I can't wait for this nightmare to be over.
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« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2008, 11:00:39 AM »
I'm so sorry about everything you're going through.  You and your mom use the same shipment of food?
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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2008, 11:03:24 AM »
I'm so sorry, Jorats. Sad
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« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2008, 11:10:23 AM »
Thanks guys...
We share the Oxbow but we order the Harlan at the same time and stored in the same place.
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« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2008, 12:02:57 PM »
Is it possible to be contaminated water?  Like, if you are both on the same town water or well?

I'm so soory you are going through this.  I can't even imagine what it must be like.  *hugs*
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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2008, 12:19:24 PM »
This is really scary.

I've never heard of anything like this --- I have nothing to add except ((hug))  Heart  my thoughts are with you and the little ones.   I hope that answers come definitively and quickly.   Are you having any unusual health concerns -or anyone in your home? 


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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2008, 12:27:53 PM »
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I did that today, I ripped everything out of the cage, cleaned all the bowls, took the water bottle away. I took all the toys away, some are from the dollar store which could be of lower quality. I'm now using a new bag of HT.
I'll be bringing Radar in tomorrow for a postmortem.

What about the cage itself?  Could they be gnawing at it and getting poisoned by chance?
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2008, 01:36:38 PM »
Quote from: Moondust on June 23, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
Is it possible to be contaminated water?  Like, if you are both on the same town water or well?

My mom and I do share the water, it's one of those brita filters added to the tap. I wonder maybe if it might be moldy?

WS, thank you... I do have some, but I attributed it to my constant crying. Sad

Blackthorn, it's an FN. This crew have never chewed on the bars. Radar did when he lived with just Isabelle, but not since being moved in with the big colony.
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2008, 02:45:50 PM »
If that's the case, I strongly suggest testing the water, I would suspect that over the food because water can easily support nasty stuff or have things leech into it--even with a filter. It can look, smell and taste fine while still being a problem.  It's possible things are at a low enough level that you and your familty don't show symptoms (...yet?).  If it's town water I believe that it's possible to call the town about it to ask them to check on things.  If I remember correctly, it's possible for water the vary so have it checked more than once at different times.

I have my fingers crossed that you guys get to the bottom of this and soon, so that you can save everyone else.  In the meantime I would buy bottled water for yourself and the rats.
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2008, 03:40:39 PM »
Moondust brings up a good point, if its the water.....I would think it would affect all of the rats though.  But then who knows.  The thing with the water Jo, since rats are so much smaller than us, it could be building in your system but they are so much smaller doesn't take much to affect them.  And since you both use the same water filter?

Try changing the water filter?
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2008, 08:48:58 PM »
I myself only drink bottled water. Some days my rats will get my mom's filtered water and some days my bottled water. But my mom's rats get her filtered water every day. It still doesn't click.

...Treat didn't make it.  Cry
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