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Leumluath
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« on: May 07, 2003, 12:38:37 PM »

Hello-
    Today I'm shipping my rats home (from MO to MD) via American Airlines Cargo.  Anyway, I took them to the vet Monday to get them examined and get them health certificates.  All the vet did was stick a stethescope on them and pronounce them healthy.  He said something about them having fast heart rates; I don't think he listened to their lungs.  He didn't even lift them out of their travel cage.  Is there more that a vet should do during an exam?  He made some comment when we were leaving about not being able to warm up to rats... hmph.  I don't plan on going back, but I was wondering if the vet seems competent if I have to bring one of them there in an emergencyand what a vet is supposed to do so I'll recognize a good one.
     My second question was about shipping my little guys.  I want to minimize stress as much as possible.  I'm going home in a week, but I wanted to ship them early in case something goes wrong.  I was afraid next Wed. might be too hot, the airline might not approve their cage etc. and want to make sure I have the time to work everything out so they can get home.  Back to the point, sorry.  Okay, so I'm shipping the rats to my sister.  She hasn't met them yet, so they might be a little shy of her.  They're only about three months old and they weren't socialized at all before I got them a month ago so they can be a bit nervous.  I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to make the trip easier on them.  I've left the carrier out and when they climb into it I've been giving them treats to hopefully get them used to being in there.  I'm also going to put their favorite toys in.  Is there anything else I can do? Is there anything my sister should do to calm them down when she gets them?  Thanks so much-sorry to ramble on.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2003, 01:35:18 PM »

From the sound of it I won't trust your vet with my rats, never mind in emergencies. When I bring my rats into my vet, she listens to their lungs, checks their hair for any signs of parasites, look at their eyes, gently probes their body to see if there's any lumps or anything, and generally checks them all over. All the while talking baby talks to them and telling them how sweet they are Smiley She lets my nervous rat to sit on her shoulder and doesn't act annoyed when they don't behave, and cleans up after them if they fear poop. If I have any questions, even stupid ones, I feel comfortable asking her, and not only is she competent she's also very sympathetic, which really helps when I'm already a nervous wrack from my rats being sick. I think it's important to find a vet you can feel comfortable with, who can discuss different treatment options, and who is open to suggestions. I would definitely find another vet, your vet sounds like my first one, who actually didnd't even bother listening to their lung and just picked them up and LOOKED at them Tongue Bah~

I don't know about air travel so I'm gonna leave that up to others. But good luck and hope everything works out for you Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2003, 01:43:50 PM »

I agree with Babyblue--my vet always gives my rats a thorough examination and she really seems to like rodents. Though she doesn't have any now, she told me she's kept them as pets and one of her assistants had a rat that lived 5 years!!!! I would look for a vet that can *warm* up to your pets. And good luck with the air travel! I've never shipped a pet so I have no advice. We're going away for the weekend tomorrow and decided to take our rats with us instead of getting a sitter! But they've gone on car trips before and don't seem to get nervous.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2003, 01:52:02 PM »

It sounds like all the vet advice has already been given.  It also sounds like you're doing the best things to make their trip as comfy as possible.  

When your sister gets them, my only recommendation is that she put them somewhere in the house where it's fairly calm and quiet, and not force contact with them for the first day or two.  If they want to come out and play good, but don't force them right away after their trip. ^_^
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2003, 06:23:45 PM »

I'm just curious if you don't mind telling us, how much was it to ship them by air and where are they gonna be in? Cargo area? What did they say when you told them you wanted to ship your rats? Besides the health certificate from your vet, did they require anything else? I just wanted to get an idea *just in case*. Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2003, 07:32:00 PM »

I'm just curious if you don't mind telling us, how much was it to ship them by air and where are they gonna be in? Cargo area? What did they say when you told them you wanted to ship your rats? Besides the health certificate from your vet, did they require anything else? I just wanted to get an idea *just in case*. Thanks!

Since you asked... (sorry this might ba a little long)

     I go to school in a tiny town in Missouri, so calling our airport small is a wild understatement.  It consists of one room, three small couches and a vending machine.  Only American Airlines flies from it.  
     I called the airline first to see  if I could carry them on, but oh no, only cats and dogs can be taken in the cabin or as checked baggage.  I was told flatly that there was no way my rats could fly home with me.  Needless to say I was crushed and started hatching a plan to take the bus home (some 25 hours) as I thought I might be able to smuggle them in a backpack.
     I did some research and found out that some ratteries ship rats and found out that there's a catch with the airlines.  Although you can't take the rat as part of their regular services, shipping them as "cargo" is somehow different.  (I think it's Delta that will actually let you carry any rodent on except rats or mice  Angry I considered trying to find a ride to a city with a major airport and trying to pass them off as exotic gerbils).  After many online searches I found that American Airlines Cargo does indeed ship rats via something called Priority Parcel Service, and while the Kirksville airport perform  any other cargo services, they do have PPS.  So I think any airline actually does ship rats, but you have to let them know it's as cargo rather than baggage.  
     I carefully read their website.  You need a container that complies with the IATA's specifications.  You need the words "Live Animals" on at least 3 sides in one inch high letters, you need directional "this end up" arrows, you need to attach food and feeding instructions to the outside, you need your full address & phone number, as well as those of the person to whom you're sending them.  You need a health certificate from a vet that's no more than 10 days old, you need their names on it, and you need two forms of ID.
I bought a container online from one of the laboratories, and I boght a pouch of hydrating gel as well, since you're not actually allowed to put water in, I think.  
     So I decided to ship them today because I was afraid there might be a glitch, especially knowing the Kirksville Airport.  I walk in the door carrying them and the manager (or the woman who always seems to be in charge) asks right away, "There aren't live animals in there, are there?"  I told her that there were.  She immeadiately told me that they don't do that, and that there's no way I could fly with them.  I asked if they were a member of Amerian Airline Cargo.  She said that they were, but I couldn't ship them unless I was a "known shipper."  I told her that you don't need to be a known shipper to ship personal pets.  She asked what was in there and I told her that they were my rats.  I got the "EEEEEEEW I hate rats"  Then she and both the other airline workers dissappeared into the back office for at least half an hour.  They finally came out and she asked where I was going.  To make a long story short they had no idea what they were doing.  She came over and said she had to look in their container.   I took the lid off and she said, "They're actually kind of cute."  Then she asked if she could put one!  Grin   It took all three of the AA employees, all on different phones to different people over an hour to get them checked in.  Then one of the TSA (the people in charge of security after Sept. 11) people had to inspect the carrier.  He put on gloves, then asked me to open it (Like 'Lendel and Cluny were going to launch themselves at his eyes as soon as the lid was cracked) and he didn't touch a thing.  He made me move everything to inspect around them.  Then he left and when he reappeared he was drying his hands as though he had just washed them!  Hmph.  To make matters worse he asked if they were alergic to anything.  I said that cedar and pine weren't good for them and he asked, "How about cats?" Grrr.
     Anyway, they seem to have gotten off well enough.  I'm anxiously awaiting news of their safe arrival in Baltimore.  (One hour 56 minutes and counting...)
     Sorry, back to your question.   You typically need a rabies vaccination certificate for shipping animals, but if your vet writes "no vaccinations neccessary" I think all you need is the health certificate.  The airlines supposedly pride themselves on keeping the animals safe and healthy, but I do think they're in the cargo area, which is supposedly temperature and pressure controlled... it had better be.  And it's like $170 for American Airlines, but I think it was only $100 on either Continental or Delta.  (So much for my cheap pets. Even on a college student budget, they're worth it, though  Wink )I'd definitely gone with one of them if any other airlines flew out of Kirksville.  I guess that's it.  Sorry this was so long, I am trying to kill time until I know they're safe.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2003, 09:51:03 PM »

I just wanted to report that 'Lendel and Cluny have safely made it to MD  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2003, 10:12:57 PM »

Hooray!  Well travelled rats!
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2003, 07:32:52 AM »

YAY for Lendel and Cluny!

THanks for sharing all that. Geez it sounds like a pain in the butt Tongue I hope I never have to do that. Glad it all worked out!
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