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Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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Hello from a desperately upset and inconsolable rat lover. I have bred 4 generations of rats and emigrated
expensively from England with them (i love them that much). I recently bred a new litter and have 2 lovely cages
of 5 young males and females in each.
I love them so much.. But I am horrified to find that my US adopted "real" family had managed to unforgiveably
put a male boy in with the females for a short while. This is my worst nightmare as we now have between 4-6
pregnant 4 month old girls. I am guessing they are 14 days pregnant from what i have been told. After the strain
of finding caring homes for the extra babies from the previous litter (only 6 then) I now feel like collapsing
under this situation. I cant see any future but suffering for my babies and/or THEIR babies whichever way I look.
I cant even ask for help because I think we are beyond it. We live in North Central Florida (near Gainesville) in
a rented house that we are about to leave for unrelated problems. If anyone can think of ANYTHING we can do
please mail me. I am a pro-lifer but at the moment I would give anything to be able to arrange pain-free
terminations is this my only hope or is it too late - we have been told it is
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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If you're okay with it, you could always do an emergency spay.. that would cut down on litter sizes.
I may be able to help you with transport if you're still in FL, as I am taking a trip down there in late June (we're headed to Tampa, but it wouldn't hurt to swing by on my way back to pick up some babies). If that's possible, I can transport anywhere from FL up to Richmond, VA.
Good luck with everything.
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Im not sure what is involved in spaying - is it affordable for 5 rats (we are on welfare) - we could find maybe 50/100 dollars from somewhere if we had to
what does "transport" mean? it seems to be a frequently used term hereabouts but im not sure - we also dont have anywhere for the babies other than one aquarium used for the last single litter - could FIVE females be ok together? Believe i cant personally handle this situation - i have been off work with severe depression since i lost my real life baby in a car crash in the early 90's (the rat family has been a substitute) and all i can see is more pain and hurt babies sorry thanks for your reply
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Transport means that someone would be willing to come and pick up babies from you, and bring them to someone else who is willing to adopt in another state.
Spays can cost anywhere from $30 to over $100 per rat. My advice would be to call your vet and see how much they charge.
Have you talked to Bonnie or Xedra? They run a rescue in the Carolinas and may possibly be able to help you.
http://www.carolinarats.org/
Contact one of them and see if they can help.
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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I think your best course of action is to speak to your local Humane Society. They may offer a low-cost spay program. Or, they may ask you to surrender these girls to spay them. Honestly, I know you love your rats dearly, but it sounds to me like this is going to completely overwhelm you and have serious effects on your mental well-being. Sometimes, you have to come first. 5 pregnant females in one 10 gallon aquarium is not possible. At all. That could potentially be 5 adults and 75 babies. Again, not even a possibility. Please, consider giving these girls up if you're in such financial hardship.
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I don't know how you feel on the subject, but I've talked to vets who have told me the best method in similar situations is to freeze the litters immediatiely upon delivery. I'm sure it sounds horrible, but it is affordable and a solution to a HUGE problem.
I work at a pet store and we once had someone inadvertantly put a male into a tank of girls and it resulted in 6 litters!! I can tell you, I felt alot better putting them to sleep right away rather than have someone buy them for snake food because of a cheaper price on large numbers purchased (i.e. 2 for 1 deal, etc) Consider it. I know it's hard but I've been told they fall asleep.
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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*sigh*
Like I said to Ratchick in chat...
I'm going to bite my tounge.
But, I will add, before you consider doing anything to "remove/eliminate" the rattikins, at least attempt to contact the breeders in your area or rattie/exotic rescue groups in the area...
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Quote from: ratchick21 on May 14, 2003, 11:58:11 PM
I don't know how you feel on the subject, but I've talked to vets who have told me the best method in similar situations is to freeze the litters immediatiely upon delivery. I'm sure it sounds horrible, but it is affordable and a solution to a HUGE problem.
I work at a pet store and we once had someone inadvertantly put a male into a tank of girls and it resulted in 6 litters!! I can tell you, I felt alot better putting them to sleep right away rather than have someone buy them for snake food because of a cheaper price on large numbers purchased (i.e. 2 for 1 deal, etc) Consider it. I know it's hard but I've been told they fall asleep.
blondie
NO.
That's all that even NEEDS to be said on this. Just plain old NO.
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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I strongly recommend against freezing baby rats. Freezing is freezing, whether the rats are babies or adults. I have boycotted pet stores that freeze animals for any reason. I just don't think this is a very humane way to go. There are other alternatives.
Niceukbloke, you sound like you truly care for the well being of your rats. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so concerned about this. Call around for local rescue operations and see what is available. Call around for your local SPCA and see what they can do. I think it would help if you explain that you did not actually allow this to happen; this situation came about from the uninformed actions of others.
Also call around to all local vets and see if they'd be willing to do spays and possibly work out payment arrangements.
In case you end up having to care for these litters, call around to local pet shops and see if they are willing to give you leaky aquariums (i.e., they won't hold water, but will work for a rat cage). A lot of pet shops will just give these away for free. You'll want 20 gallon, NOT 10 gallon, aquariums. You can also scour local garage sales for aquariums and rat cages for very cheap prices.
The aquariums will be okay for the mommies and baby ratties. While the babies are nursing, you can build really cheap extensions to fit on top of the aquariums. I did it for an old aquarium cage I had and it was VERY cheap. I just used wood and fabric wire. (Just don't use pine or cedar wood.)
You can post flyers in vet offices for anyone who may be interested in getting ratties. You might be able to find homes for the babies that way.
And, of course, after the babies are born, post pics and an adoption notice here. Believe me, people will be interested.
Good luck!
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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If you can find transportation to NC. I can help you out. I have room for a few.
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Quote from: ratchick21 on May 14, 2003, 11:58:11 PM
I can tell you, I felt alot better putting them to sleep right away rather than have someone buy them for snake food because of a cheaper price on large numbers purchased (i.e. 2 for 1 deal, etc) Consider it. I know it's hard but I've been told they fall asleep.
blondie
Umm...rats are going to be sold for snake food anyway, and a responsible herper will buy frozen rather than live. But that's not the point.
As a snake owner, I have done extensive research into the most humane methods of killing rodents, and I can assure you that even herpers do not consider freezing to be a humane death. It is very slow and painful.
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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I agree with Lenore. Freezing is one of the least humane methods of euthanasia, and is very strongly NOT recommended.
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Re:Desperate in North Florida - Multiple pregnant females
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Hey, I emailed you privately about this but haven't heard back from you yet. I am located in Sarasota, FL, which is about an hour south of Tampa. I am willing to take in 1-2 little boys from a litter if Tizzrah can bring them down. They should be old enough by then? Good luck!
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In response to my first post, I must say that if I was in his position, I wouldn't have any humane societies to help out. All of our resuces are full, and how low cost could you get if you're already broke? I know of NO, I repeat NO, pet store that would "give" tanks away. There is still the issue of food, bedding, and time. How much time may you have for the 60 rats to be expected? I would feel overwhelmed, that's for sure. I love my rats from the bottom of my heart, but not many people in some areas feel that way. We sit on rats so long at the store they end up going for snake food because they get large. fyi: I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS...I was only stating what I have heard from vets tell my boss; I thought possibly preventing them from a worse death later. And don't tell me freezing is worse than looking down a snake's mouth.
As a keeper of snakes as well, I obviously feed frozen as well. At my store we do not have access to wholesale frozen mice or rats....we simply wouldn't order enough. They do not use freezing as their method of euthanasia. A vet told her that it is painless, pardon me for believing a vet.
There are so many unwanteds out there that people turn over out of desperation and irresponsibility and sometimes even let go. I couldn't imagine placing that many rats...I am exhausted finding homes for my 6 that I have now. Maybe putting them to sleep, by method of the gas, is it, would be better? I'm sure no one supports that, once again, just couldn't imagine having that many to place. If there are people for the babies to be adopted to, then that's so excellant but it would never happen around here. I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic, but it just seems impossible.
Also, in the 3 1/2 years I've worked at the store, gone to herp vets, gone to herp shows, and talked to snake people (i breed corns), as well as read Reptiles avidly, I have never heard anyone talk about caring how the food was euthanized. I've spoken to Bill and Kathy Love, reknowned corn snake breeders and they still advocate live!!! So I think we're a long way from this being a real topic of interest in herping. I would genuinely be interested in any articles on it though. Never heard of it. Most guys I ask about why they feed frozen reply that they only switched because their snake got bitten.
I still don't know how to start replying to all the "great " comments directed at me.
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Quote from: ratchick21 on May 15, 2003, 11:47:40 PM
In response to my first post, I must say that if I was in his position, I wouldn't have any humane societies to help out. All of our resuces are full, and how low cost could you get if you're already broke? I know of NO, I repeat NO, pet store that would "give" tanks away. There is still the issue of food, bedding, and time. How much time may you have for the 60 rats to be expected?
ratchick21: Niceukbloke came here for advice on a situation he has to deal with. Our focus here should be encouraging, especially if this situation looks overwhelming to him.
Niceukbloke: call around to pet shops anyway. You may have better luck with local, individually owned pet shops. This is where I got some aquariums. Leaky ones. For free. It can't hurt to ask. Besides, then you'll get to know a little bit more about places near you.
I still encourage you to call your local SPCA. Even if those places are maxed out, they may know of an organization or an individual person for rat rescue. Once again, it can't hurt to ask and it's only a phone call away.
Another idea: call local elementary schools and see if they'd like to have well socialized, adorable, home bred ratties as "classroom animals." Many teachers do this and there's a strong chance that a student or even the teacher will eventually adopt the ratties at the end of the school year. Worth a shot, I'd say.
When your litters arrive, niceukbloke, do the best you can. That is all you can do.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 15, 2003, 11:47:40 PM
And don't tell me freezing is worse than looking down a snake's mouth.
As a keeper of snakes as well, I obviously feed frozen as well.
We are here to help niceukbloke. A number of our members, including a moderator, objected to freezing a living animal as inhumane. That's pretty much the view here, so the conversation can move on and focus on helping niceukbloke take care of his ratties, rather than freeze them.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 15, 2003, 11:47:40 PM
A vet told her that it is painless, pardon me for believing a vet.
Vets are like doctors: they are an outstanding, knowledgeable resource for animal lovers. But they are not all perfect nor correct 100% of the time. I do not know of a single vet that advocates freezing as a humane form of euthanasia.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 15, 2003, 11:47:40 PM
I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic, but it just seems impossible.
Then let's NOT sound pessimistic, because this situation is NOT impossible.
Niceukbloke, you have your phone to check out local resources. And you have this Forum. Our members include professional breeders, long-time rescuers, veterinary technicians, and people with medical expertise. And, of course, we're all hard-core rat lovers. All of us, at your service to help with your ratties.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 15, 2003, 11:47:40 PM
Also, in the 3 1/2 years I've worked at the store, gone to herp vets, gone to herp shows, and talked to snake people (i breed corns), as well as read Reptiles avidly, I have never heard anyone talk about caring how the food was euthanized.
I'm sorry to hear that, ratchick21. I'm very sorry to hear that. On this Forum, we care very much how animals, food or pets, are euthanized.
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Ratchick, everything you just said doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that freezing rats to death is inhumane. We weren't commenting on the various issues you just raised, we were informing you of the fact that freezing rats to death is inhumane. That's all. And yes, you are pardoned for believing your vet. Sadly, many of them have no idea what they are talking about. Just look at how many people say their vets recommend pine bedding.
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About freezing: NO WAY. That is totally inhumane, and I'm amazed that it was suggested.
but on to the topic at hand...
Niceukbloke, you might try calling fish stores and other petshops and asking if they have cracked aquariums they can give away or sell for a few bucks. Also, you might try making cages like
these
, at least as a temporary measure.
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You might also see if there's a sliding fee scale vet clinic in your area. There is one in mine and they'll treat rats as pets.
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So no one advocates euthanasia, but you do advocate abortion to the babies if they haven't been born yet? These babies are still fetuses when born!!! I have heard of people tell me they are gone in under 2 minutes. And if it is painful, I'm not sure how long it could be for.
But, since the babies will be born soon, I guess it's lucky to have so much support? Where are all the adopters coming from? No one had offered to adopt my babies here in Wisconsin, and I've posted since day one. Maybe that's why I worry so much for him. I know what it's like to be short on money, and the emotional toll this will take could be overwhelming. Just trying to save these ratties from potential hell later on.
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Quote from: ratchick21 on May 16, 2003, 05:43:49 PM
So no one advocates euthanasia, but you do advocate abortion to the babies if they haven't been born yet?
Actually, no. It's not that no one advocates euthanasia. It's just that no one here advocates
inhumane
euthanasia. Pretty much everybody here views freezing as inhumane. The best way to euthanize an animal is to make arrangements with an experienced vet who knows how to do the two-shot euthanasia method.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 16, 2003, 05:43:49 PM
Where are all the adopters coming from?
Good question. That's what we're trying to help niceukbloke with.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 16, 2003, 05:43:49 PM
No one had offered to adopt my babies here in Wisconsin, and I've posted since day one.
There could very well be a reason. I don't know your situation, but since we're here to help niceukbloke, let's focus on that.
Quote from: ratchick21 on May 16, 2003, 05:43:49 PM
Maybe that's why I worry so much for him. I know what it's like to be short on money, and the emotional toll this will take could be overwhelming. Just trying to save these ratties from potential hell later on.
Yeah, I know what it's like to not have a whole lot of cash. Many of us have limited finances. So we're trying to help niceukbloke prevent this situation from become overwhelming for exactly that reason.
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Hi Niceukbloke,
I live in Gainesville, not far from you. I am sorry, but I already have 4 rats who are free roaming. However, I can help with transport in Fla/Ga. I will try to look for a used aquarium for you and donate it to your cause. I can drop it off along with a donation of food to help. Email me with your contact info.
buffy_newbie@yahoo.com
And for the love of God! Do not freeze them, that is the most inhumane thing I have ever heard!
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Lots of replies but nickukbloke doesn't seem to have come back yet. No replies either to my private email to him, if he isn't interested in placing a few males with me, I will probably find other rescue ratties to bring in.
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He only posted his original message a couple days ago. He may not have computer access all the time.
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Quote from: Ensie on May 17, 2003, 01:59:52 AM
He only posted his original message a couple days ago. He may not have computer access all the time.
Yes, that is what I was thinking too.
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Ratchick -
I am always able to take new babies but I am in texas and no one ever transports down here. I am getting girls from st.louis only because they can transport.
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