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Ensie
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« on: April 28, 2002, 03:00:23 AM »

I have almost a full bale of pine shavings (I bought this before I discovered the hard way how bad this is for rats). What can it be used for? What kinds of animals can use this bedding safely? I could compost the whole thing, but that seems such a waste. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2002, 03:14:18 AM »

I've used it in taxidermy.  But I doubt many members of the board are interested in that.  

You can also use it in shipping (instead of peanuts).  I've never done it, but one of my friends did.  

I cannot think of anything else right now... Anyone else want to give it a go?
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2002, 07:44:20 AM »

I know you can put cedar in little bags and keep them in the closet to make things smell nice and keep moths away... maybe you can do this with pine too?

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2002, 09:10:22 AM »

may be you can give it to a friend who keeps a Hamster because it's fine for them you could charge them for it but thats your own choice. thats the best i can think of i hope it can help you from Julia Smiley Wink Grin Cool Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2002, 10:26:23 AM »

Pine is not good for hamsters either, it is bad for ALL small animals, and even humans too if they lived on it.  I would just compost it, or you could use it to stuff a dog bed or something.  
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2002, 10:54:08 AM »


may be you can give it to a friend who keeps a Hamster because it's fine for them you could charge them for it but thats your own choice. thats the best i can think of i hope it can help you from Julia Smiley Wink Grin Cool Roll Eyes Tongue
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I kept hamsters on pine... they all died early deaths from respiratory infections. Some of them seemed to just dry completely up, their eyes closed shut and they just died very quickly. That's about 12 hamsters altogether who died the same way on pine. Pine and cedar belongs in the trash.  Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2002, 11:42:13 AM »


may be you can give it to a friend who keeps a Hamster because it's fine for them you could charge them for it but thats your own choice. thats the best i can think of i hope it can help you from Julia Smiley Wink Grin Cool Roll Eyes Tongue
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Ack! Please make sure your information is correct before posting. Somebody that doesnt know might just follow your advice. As the other people said... Pine is JUST as bad for hamsters.

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2002, 01:01:15 PM »

Do you know of anyone who has horses? I am sure that they would appreciate a bag of shavings, since that is what a lot of horses have in their stalls.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2002, 01:27:14 PM »

Well, I use newpaper under several layers of T-shirts for our ratties' bedding.  And when the papers get soiled I just toss them in the trash.  But the t-shirts get laundered with unscented detergent, and put through a second rinse with a cup of plain white vinegar added.  The vinegar gets rid of the uric acid, and hence the odors that will tend to accumulate if one doesn't use the vinegar water trick.  Then I dry the "rattie linens" in a HOT drier.

But... that doesn't help you with your problem of having a bunch of pine bedding that you can't use with your ratties.  We use cedar shaving in our dogs' doghouses routinely.  It keeps the fleas at bay because the fleas don't tolerate the smell well.  If you know of anyone who has dogs, you might offer them all your pine shavings....  Grin
 They could probably use it.  Just my two cents worth.. Wink
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2002, 10:03:42 AM »

I agree that pine and cedar are toxic to ALL living beings' respiratory systems. Throw it out, and chalk it up to a lesson learned, Honey. It isn't worth taking chances with.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2002, 03:56:03 PM »


I agree that pine and cedar are toxic to ALL living beings' respiratory systems. Throw it out, and chalk it up to a lesson learned, Honey. It isn't worth taking chances with.


I know when I found out I threw several bags of pine and cedar straight into the trash. All of it still un-opened.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2002, 04:45:47 PM »

Safe uses for pine litter:

compost
garden mulch for plants
fire starter for campfire or charcoal grill
organic landfill (as in "throw it out")
mix with wood glue and use as modelling compound
potpourri

I'll keep thinking of more.  Wink

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2002, 04:51:42 PM »

You could donate it to a local frat
It is excellent for cleaning up vomit.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2002, 06:44:28 PM »


Safe uses for pine litter:

compost
garden mulch for plants
fire starter for campfire or charcoal grill
organic landfill (as in "throw it out")
mix with wood glue and use as modelling compound
potpourri

I'll keep thinking of more.  Wink




Any ideas for the green stuff? I have an unopened brick taking up space in my closet.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2002, 07:26:20 PM »

It works great for soaking up oil spills in the garage Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2002, 10:13:31 PM »


Pine is not good for hamsters either, it is bad for ALL small animals, and even humans too if they lived on it.  I would just compost it, or you could use it to stuff a dog bed or something.  


If it's bad for all small animals, then why do they sell it? Huh
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2002, 10:16:19 PM »



Any ideas for the green stuff? I have an unopened brick taking up space in my closet.


You could wrap it as a Christmas gift and make it a permenant Christmas decoration.  Would even smell piney!
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2002, 01:18:02 AM »

I laughed so hard at some of your ideas . . . potpourri . . . and a donation for post-parties at the frat house . . . oooh, I love it. I think I'll err on the side of caution and not use this for any animal environment. I'll probably use some of it for little Christmas potpourri bags and I'll compost the rest. Thanks to everybody for your suggestions.
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2002, 01:38:10 AM »




If it's bad for all small animals, then why do they sell it? Huh

Because they only care about making money, and not the animals themselves. Or because they are ignorant.
People who work in pine mills often develop respiratory diseases, so it isn't just animals.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2002, 07:14:09 AM »


If it's bad for all small animals, then why do they sell it? Huh


Because pine and cedar are cheaper than most beddings. And pet stores are only concerned with saving money, not the well-being of their animals. I judge how good a pet store is by looking into their animal cages and seeing if they use pine or cedar.
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2002, 08:16:43 AM »

I plan to use my old cedar to mix with the mulch in my garden. They actually have cedar mulch which is supposed to keep some bugs away, so I figured, eh, why not? It's been sitting in my closet for years after our hamster craze (my husband didn't have a clue about the toxic qualities and he jst wanted cheap. Reason number 2 why I take care of all the pets now!!) Not sure if Pine has any special qualities that help in the garden though. Just don't use it in a fireplace! It causes soot to stick and can cause fires in the future
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2002, 08:44:19 AM »


People who work in pine mills often develop respiratory diseases, so it isn't just animals.


Yep... that's how they discovered the problem in the first place. There were people working in a sawmill that processed cedar for furniture and construction, and they all had developd horrible respiratory problems.

I was once talking to someone, and we were talking pet beddings or something, and it came up that the person had a relative that lived in a house with cedar walls, and they had nasty problems with sneezing and asthma, etc. I told her that it was probably the cedar that was doing it!

Just proves the point that living in an environment with a lot of cedar can be unhealthy for ANY animal, even a human. As a result, I won't even use those cedar things you use to keep your clothes moth-free. I don't want the stuff anywhere near me.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2002, 02:21:58 PM »


People who work in pine mills often develop respiratory diseases, so it isn't just animals.


I developed servere pneumonia three times while I was using pine and cedar. I haven't had it since I switched to Carefresh. The pneumonia sent me to the Hospital unable to breathe and with severe pains in my chest several times.
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2002, 09:50:37 AM »

... As a result, I won't even use those cedar things you use to keep your clothes moth-free. I don't want the stuff anywhere near me.


Yep! I even cringe every time one of those Pinesol commercials comes on T.V.!  Tongue They couldn't pay me to use that garbage to "clean" my house!
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2002, 11:15:08 AM »

I won't use Pine Sol, either! My husband had to use it to get some paint off models by soaking them in it for a few days (THAT scared me! The paint MELTED!), and I told him to keep it well out of contact with the rats. The smell makes me gag, anyway...
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2002, 11:48:13 AM »



If it's bad for all small animals, then why do they sell it? Huh


Because there are people out there who will buy it. Yeh, pretty dumb. Kinda like rat harnesses...(just kidding, although in some cases....)

Basically, it's cheap for a company to make, and they can make a profit off all the people who buy it because they are not educated about the harms of it. And, of course, pet stores are not going to post a sign by the stuff saying it's harmfull.

It makes me mad that an animal will have to die before a company decides to pull it off the shelf- that was the case for Hartz flea and tick drops for cats. It can litterally kill cats, even if you cat makes the weight and age limit the package says is "safe".  Well it killed some cats, and although the whole company has not yet recalled it, the store I work at refuses to sell it, and we pulled ours off the shelf so that *our* customers would'n t buy it. I wish I could do that with the pine and cedar, but we are always converting buyers to at least aspen, if nothing else. We're working on the pine and cedar bit....

So anyways, just a note, if you have cats, DON'T use the flea and tick drops made for them by Hartz. The company isn't totally bad, because their dog products work, but I'm angry that there hasn't been a recall on the cat drops yet....just a little FYI. Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2002, 02:51:35 PM »

The problem is that there is no "FDA" for animals.  The food & drug administration is meant to protect humans, not our pets.  Thus, they don't HAVE to recall it.  

You'd better bet that if there was an animal product out there that made the animals suddenly dangerous to humans, it would be pulled from the shelves.  But as long as it is just killing animals, no one seems to care.

It might convince a company to stop selling something if everyone who's pets had died filed a class action law suit...  I don't know about that.

I am suprised to hear about Hartz.  I would have thought that the cat owners would have lobbied them out of the idea.  Cat & Dog owners do have a lot more political power than us rat-people.  
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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2002, 06:57:19 PM »


It might convince a company to stop selling something if everyone who's pets had died filed a class action law suit...  I don't know about that.


I have... 17 pets that died from pine and cedar shavings. Why don't we do that, file a class action lawsuit? There's enough proof to back it all up. And enough of us have suffered losses due to this crap. We all complain about it, but we never do anything about it...
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