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« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2007, 08:44:46 PM »

I am so happy!  I am finally convinced my parents to buy me some white vinegar and peroxcide to clean the ratties cages since all 4 of my boys have URI, along with their sister...and I think by using only soap it was aggrivating the URI's and making htem worss because their cages and toys, food bowls, and water bottles weren't properly cleaned.
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« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2007, 06:17:10 AM »

Does anyone know why you shouldn't mix hydrogen peroxide and vinegar in the same bottle? I can't see why it would make a difference, unless the peroxide was exposed to light.

Also, I've seen in a few places that the hydrogen peroxide/vinegar blend produces "fizzing." In my own experience this has never happened... particularly because both vinegar (acetic acid) and H2O2 are acids, and therefore would show no visible reaction. (To get the fizzing effect I've been adding baking soda, which is alkaline, because the vinegar smell makes me ill  Lips Sealed) This is also why I'm wondering why you can't mix the two together, since they wouldn't react with each other.

I don't know, any chemistry buffs?  Grin
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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2007, 07:44:50 PM »

Just a side note...Vinegar and hydrogen proxide will also clean your salads,(in light of all the e. coli and salmonella on salad these days) its non toxic but of course you rinse it off before eating it.
I never thought about using for my rat cages though, I might start having to buy by the gallons.
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« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2007, 08:52:13 PM »

I found a group posting when looking up about washing my produce with h.peroxide/vinegar about how it is supposed to make peracetic acid. The answer from a chemist was that when you are mixing the two in your home, with household strength vinegar & hydrogen peroxide it will not form any detectable levels of peracetic acid. You are supposed to keep them in two seperate spray bottles though, and spray one on top of the other. He said that premixing will lose the peroxide activity. Here's the link:

http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/sci.chem/msg01820.html
*This is the link to the final post but you can use the links on the page to go back to the original question. If you google peracetic acid, you will get answers to what it is, but keep in mind that this acid is formed by very concentrated chemicals, supposedly not what you can mix in your kitchen.

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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2007, 10:36:25 AM »

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What can you use to kill the myco germs?  My rats are always fighting the respiratory thing.  Is washing their hammocks once in the machine with detergent not enough?  SHall it be done with something other than laundry deteregent?

Bleach 1:10 solution 10-15mins, ammonia 1:10 solution 30mins., and Phenols (Lysol, Environ, O-Syl) kill Myco, but phenols are very toxic to animals & are hard to rinse off. I wouldn't use them around animals. Ammonia needs a lot of ventilation & toxic fumes are formed when mixed with bleach. For Myco, I would stick to a bleach/HOT water solution 1:10.

Chlorhexidine (active ingredient in Nolvasan) or hydrogen peroxide do not kill myco. Neither does vinegar, but I couldn't find any references to mycobacteria & h.peroxide/vinegar combined. Nolvasan does, however, prevent it from growing.

I found a site called Clinical Microbiology Reviews which basically tells you which antiseptics & disinfectants kill what. According to this site Mycobacteria are "highly resistant" to chlorhexidine. The second link is about cleaners and reptiles and is in lamens terms.

http://cmr.asm.org/cgi/content/full/12/1/147#T4 rather involved reading.

http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Disinfectants.html Easier reading, with brand names listed

Hope this helps!
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« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2007, 12:04:01 AM »

I have a question.. (first post whee)

I'm going to be getting a FN soon, and would love to use the vinegar/HP combo. My only problem is that I live on the second floor of an apartment complex(no elevator, only stairs)...So obviously, rinsing with a hose is going to be really hard/impossible.

What would be a good way to clean without nearly killing myself everytime to get it downstairs to wash?

Also, is there a good brush to use, or are paper towels/regular towels sufficient?

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« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2007, 12:56:23 AM »

You don't have to drag it anywhere to wash it! Just do the peroxide thing and wipe it down with water paper towels. It does the job without wasteing water,
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« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2007, 09:36:35 AM »

Really? Well, that makes it a whole lot easier!  Grin
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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2007, 12:10:20 PM »

All my rats are healthy, so I just use antibacterial dish soap on toys and furniture. I wipe down and rinse the exterior of the cage with Clorox Anywhere Spray.

Rayne, 20 babies? My girl had a litter of 16, (it was an oops litter), but20 is out of this world!
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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2007, 09:27:52 AM »

I have figured out my secret to a non-stinky cage. Critter Fresh! I recently ran out, and PetsMart doesn't carry it anymore, which forced us to buy another product. It's horrible. I want my CritterFresh!

I just bought some off Amazon yesterday... I bought 3 bottles at once, because the shipping was $8.99 no matter if I bought 1 or 3. I'm not pleased with that shipping charge, but I NEED my Critter Fresh!

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« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2007, 11:05:12 PM »

I used a product called Method 'Go Naked surface cleaner' for the first time tonight and I have to say I am quite pleased. IT neutralized my boys cage and I could just spray it, wait a few second to do its work, and then scrub with paper towel. No perfumes, no dyes, no animal testing and all natural products.

Kind of expensive at $4.99 a bottle (CDN) and I used half the bottle, but I also cleaned stinky igloos, wood, baskets and all the clips I use. It doesn't disinfect but it cuts the buck butter and the pee off the bars.


I think I'll use it in rotation with vinegar and water. I like the idea that I can spray the Method with the rats in the cage to clean up any day-to-day messes. I'm also quite sure that I'll make the switch to full fleece this week if cleaning becomes this easy.


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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2008, 08:15:53 PM »

Check out Pet Focus! I love this stuff and it is super safe!! It works unbelievably well and worth every penny!!!  http://www.avitec.com/Pet-Focus-Disinfectant-Cleaner-p/epf.htm
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« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2008, 12:56:44 PM »

Wow, this thread is so helpful! I have been using vinegar, peroxide and then plain water to wipe my cages, but I have always wanted to know what the chemistry was. Thanks, PhoenixMoon, for posting the answer!

And I am going to check out the Clinical Microbiology reviews. There is probably no way to kill Myco on the blankets and hammocks, but I am  grateful to be able to get out the pee smell! I have started adding vinegar to the pre-wash cycle, and it really helps. I have a front-loader, which uses very little water, and I used to have to wash their stuff using the Sanitary Cycle (super-hot water).
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« Reply #73 on: March 10, 2008, 02:15:57 PM »

When using the vinegar/hydrogen peroxide mix, is it a weekly thing or every day? Would it keep smell down if shelves/bars were wiped down with baby wipes every other day and then the cage was stuck in the shower, sprayed with vinegar/HP and rinsed with hot water or can I just spray the cages down in my room and wipe off the vinegar/HP and that's it?

For those of you who use cage liners/have cages full of toys and hammocks, are you taking everything out every day or every few days in order to spray the cage down?
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« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2008, 09:50:45 AM »

Our cages get done weekly, but I don't have anything huge.  We currently have one Martins H-600 (vacant at the moment), two R-660, two R-670, an H-600HR, and a 10 gal tank.  We have topper for the 10 gallon but it's not currently in use.  I do wipe down as necessary.
 
I've been using diluted bleach but I'm switching to the vinegar mix...
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« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2008, 02:49:52 PM »

Here's a question and since there's so many posts to skim through let me just throw it out there.

Are baby wipes safe to use if I want to wipe down my Magic Mats in between washes?  I really have no idea about this but I'm wondering if it's nontoxic?  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2008, 09:31:32 PM »

I've used baby wipes all natural and unscented I even use it on the rattys themselves. The cage stays clean (great for the hard to reach areas) and I have a question... this thread's kind of all over the place does the vinegar solution kill all the germs like the bleach? I also have asthma and I figure if it bothers my lungs it bothers theirs. (I've seriously rewashed cages after bleach with dish soap and have still not been able to breathe by them because the bleach residue is so hard to get rid of)
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« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2008, 04:44:37 PM »

I use a mix of mostly vinegar and then about a half a cup of antibacterial dawn dishwashing detergent.  It breaks up any dried on poo and gets everything super clean. I just spray the stuff on and then wait a few minutes and run a scrub brush over it really quick and it looks brand new again!!
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« Reply #78 on: July 20, 2008, 02:09:02 PM »

For the entire cage, the vinegar and peroxide spray works wonders.  For the inside...I have a Martin's 690 that I have put linoleum on the levels of...every day, twice a day, I do the baby wipe thing on them.  I use the unscented all natural ones that don't have alcohol or anything harsh.  I dry them with a paper towel too.  On the bottom they have towels.  I have a bunch of ones that have minor tears, so I cut them in half and use it on the bottom of the cage.  Usually two towels at a time so it's more absorbent, and I change that every other day and pick up the "raisins" every day.  My rat cage is always cleaner than my house.   Yellow Cute Laugh
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« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2008, 05:55:49 PM »

Is Vinegar and methelated spirits safe for rats?
We use it on everything. Yellow Cute Laugh
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« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2008, 06:14:06 PM »

I use Scrubbing Bubbles to get urine off, then rinse, then use a bleach/water mixture and spray it on, then rinse it off again and dry.

It is a good idea to rinse very carefully if you do this since mixing ammonia and bleach is harmful.

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« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2008, 04:55:21 AM »

I had a question about the vinegar and hydrogen peroxide cage cleaning method- Are you suppose to spray the whole cage with vinegar and wipe it down, and then spray on the hydrogen peroxide then wipe that down? Or are you suppose to spray the vinegar and then the hydrogen peroxide and wipe them both off? Lol sorry for the technical question... Everyone else seems to get it just fine, i guess i just read too much into it. Thanks so much!
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« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2008, 05:24:03 PM »

I just have a quick question. :]

Would be okay to soak hammocks and other things in hot water filled with fish soap or anti-bacterial soap and then put it in the dryer? or air dry? Would this be toxic to rats?
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