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« on: September 03, 2008, 05:17:37 AM »

I am VERY new to rat ownership.  I recently got 2 baby rats from a local pet store (ugh.. I know) anyways "Peeka" was always sneezing, I looked it up online and found it probably to be stress related.  Well.... she it has now been a week and she is sneezing more and more and "Boo" has also started sneezing a lot!  Last night, I was extremely concerned about Peeka, she wasn't as interested in her food as she normally is, although she did drink and eat some peas, which I think is a good sign.  Boo is eating like normal, but is sneezing like crazy.  When I touched Peeka this morning she felt rather cold to the touch, however, the longer I held her she felt warmer.  Her hair does seem a little messy, she does not have any porphyrin coming out of her nose, however she is a white rat with dark eyes, and around her eyes seem a little redder than usual, however, I've only had her a week, so I'm not sure.  I'm extremely worried about my girls!  Is this an emergency situation where they should be rushed to the vet?  Her heart seems to beat fast, but being new to rats I'm not really sure what "fast" is.  Help!

Thanks!!!

Peeka,Boo & Kayla

Peeka:

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Boo:

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 05:19:54 AM »

If you can get her in within a day or two, that would be best. It's not something you want to wait a couple of weeks on. It could be nothing, but I wouldn't want to take the chance. If you got her from a store, you might call them to see if your purchase includes a free vet visit or guarantee of health.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 05:45:54 AM »

I was debating leaving work early to get her in, I guess I might just be over reacting due to not knowing what's going on and being new to this whole thing.  I want them to be healthy happy girls!

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 08:28:47 AM »

I don't think you're over-reacting.  When you see fur that if fluffed, its a sign that they're not feeling well.  And the fact that she's not eating as much as she usually does is another sign.  Rats can hide their sickness until its VERY serious and when they start showing symptoms, its almost too late.  So I would really suggest that you get them both into the vet to be checked ASAP.

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 08:32:04 AM »

Thanks!  I have an appointment for them later today.  I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.  Blue Dumbo Smile
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 08:42:22 AM »

Definitely!  Please let us know how the vet visit goes.  Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 01:44:07 PM »

Thanks!  I have an appointment for them later today.  I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.  Blue Dumbo Smile

Yup! If their sneezing and behavior is worrying you enough that you think you should take them to the vet, then you probably should. If the vet says that they do have respitory infections, he should give the rats two different antibiotics, and they should be on the antibiotics for around three weeks. I've been disappointed by vets who don't know much about rats, and don't medicate them correctly, so I thought I'd warn ya. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 02:22:17 PM »

Thanks for the advice.  Due to their age is there anything they shouldn't have?  They are probably 6-8 weeks old. 

I have my appointment in an hour so any information quick would be greatly appreciated! =)
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 04:51:39 PM »

Most folks avoid Baytril at this age because it's known to stunt growth in puppies who are in their rapid growth phase. But honestly, better to stunt their growth than let them get so sick no medicine will fix them. There are many options, so here's an article about pneumonia you can print out to take to your vet:

http://ratguide.com/health/bacteria/mycoplasma_mycoplasmosis.php

I see you're from Minnesota - so am I!
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 08:28:01 PM »

Sweet!  Where in Minnesota are you?  Maybe I can steal your vet?? =)

The vet ended up saying it was URI (no suprise) he put both my girls on some pink peptobismol looking stuff.  I'm only supposed to give them a drop 2x a day.  He seemed very knowledgable about what he was saying and went over a bunch of basic care stuff with me.  He also talked about spaying them. 

Should I keep them under some heat? Peeka doesnt seem to want to eat, anything I can give her?  I tried crushing up and soaking some lab blocks, but she would have nothing to do with them. 

Thanks!

Peeka, Boo & Kayla
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 02:03:49 AM »

You can supplement her with Ensure, give her babyfood, but watch the amount b/c it will soften their stools to the point that they may get diarrhea.  Also try avocados, Total cereal, cooked rice or crackers to go with ensure or baby food to help keep her from getting diarrhea.  After a day or two she should be feeling good enough to go back to her old eating habits.

Things to have in a first aid/sick care kit include:
baby food
pedialyte
kitten formula, or soy baby formula w/o iron, powdered in both cases
ensure
new skin for small cuts and scratches
medicine droppers
small baby spoons
neosporin
gauze pads


This is per The Rat Care Guide by Ducummon, various other posts, and my personal experience and vet's approval.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 06:13:03 AM »

The pink stuff is probably either TMS (trimethoprim sulfate) or amoxicillin. Either is a fine med to start with. If she's not showing improvement in 3 days, call the vet back and let him know. He should offer to add another med or change meds.

You can help her by making sure she's staying warm and hydrated. To check hydration, gently pinch the skin over her shoulderblades and release. It should snap back. If you can count "one thousand one, one thousand two" she's dehydrated. You can compare her to her cagemate to see if they're different. Offer her ensure, flavored pedialyte or watered down gatorade (a small jar lid works great for this) to get more fluids into her. Dehydration can make a big difference in how a rat feels.

For warmth, give her lots of fleece to snuggle in with her cagemate. If she's still cold, you can add a heating pad to one side of the cage (make sure they can't reach it to pull it into the cage). I used a heating pad made for reptile enclosures.

I'm in a suburb of Minneapolis and my vet is Dr. Barb Leppke of Shady Oak Vet Clinic. Other good clinics (although pricey) are Como Animal Hospital in St. Paul and Cedar Pet Clinic in Minneapolis.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 07:46:06 AM »

I really appreciate everyone's help!!! It's scary being a new rat mommy with a sick baby  Shocked 2


Yeah, the first one you said is correct on her perscripton it says TMS.   I gave the medicine to her this AM (he put both her and her cagemate on it) after that she was going crazy on the water bottle, so I know at least she's drinking and was sitting on the top shelve of her cage (where the food is) so she may have been eating.  They're not very clean so they leave food all over so it's hard to tell what was missing. 

When feeding Ensure do I force feed her or kind of make her lick the top of the syringe?  He gave me a TINY syringe for her. 

I put lots of fleece in her cage last night and they made a nice nest out of it, so I think she's pretty content with her sleeping conditions.  I don't use bedding, I use fleece on the bottom of the cage to try to avoid some infections. 

I went to a vet in South Saint Paul.  Dr. Brian Hansen.  He has a hairless in his office so he took her out to let me see her (he made sure to wash his hands completely before grabbing her). 

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 05:15:50 PM »

If she's taking it willingly and eating and drinking on her own, there's no reason to force the ensure. Glad to hear she's feeling so much better.

And glad to hear you've found a super vet! We have a local group here in the Twin Cities (we'd love to have you join us):

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestmischief/

There's a place on the website for vet recommendations - you might want to add yours!
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 08:32:31 AM »

So... as someone suggested I went back to the place I got the girls from and they told me URI are not that bad it's just like a cold in humans and they get over it.  From what I've read they are very serious.  This blew my mind that he would say this, anyways he did end up reimbursing me the cost of the vet visit.  So that's a good thing!

Also, how long do I keep them on the medication?  I thought he said 10 days but I had so many questions/thoughts going on in my mind I kind of blocked him out.. oopsy! 

Thanks again!!
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 09:25:53 AM »

usually vets are really helpful if you call and ask them that stuff.. it's really important when using antibiotics to properly follow the schedule they give you because infections can come back if you skip doses or quit early. 
I usually give my rats stuff like broccoli or oranges, stuff with extra vitamins when they are sick just to boost their immunity.  Not scientific or anything, just seems like the right thing to do.  good luck! Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2008, 05:43:45 PM »

When I have my rats on meds, I like to continue for a week beyond when their symptoms clear up. This may mean you have to call the vet for a refill if they're still having symptoms when the meds are going to run out. If you need to call, make sure you do it a couple of days before you run out so you don't have an interruption in medication.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2008, 07:16:22 PM »

Your babies are adorable. I hope they get to feeling better. My Chunk just got over his URI, and it was icky. He sounded awful, like stuffy trying to get it out. It's good to know that the guy gave you a reimbursement for the vet visit. URIs can get very serious, so as soon as you hear it, go. It's nice to hear such a loving new rat mommy doing so much for her babies. That's how I was with mine, just brought Cheerio to the vet when I first got him just because I saw porphyrin and didn't know what it was lol. Needless to say, I now know a little bit more, but the board is a great place to get help and reassurance. Congrats on your new little girls. More pics when they're feeling better please!  Blue Dumbo Smile
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