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« on: October 06, 2008, 09:13:35 AM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_he_me/med_exotic_pets


Came across this on Yahoo! just now. I'm not sure what I think about this article. Just thought I'd share and see what others thought.
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 09:22:47 AM »

In some aspects, I feel like this article is just covering some basic common sense. It's pretty well a no-brainer that most <5 year olds should not be left with any pet unattended, though it depends on how well you know your kids and your pets.

In another regard, I feel like this is a moderate push against people making impulse buy pets, which is a good thing.

However, then there are cases like myself, my ratty girls, and my nephew. I am moving back to the house my 5 year old nephew visits every other weekend. Some people would read this article and immediately demand I rehome my rats. My dad would probably take the article with a grain of salt.

They also mention you should contact your vet immediately to see what sort of diseases your pet may carry. Even though we are all continually learning, to me this is something you should have researched before you got the pet to begin with.

I guess all in all, to the educated pet owner it can be frustrating and add to unwanted "your pet is bad/dirty/disease spreading/etc" hype. I think this is more targeted to folks who don't have that education yet.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 09:43:21 AM »

Yeah I just read this myself and was pretty peeved. I mean, like guardian said, it should be common sense that a child under 5 shouldn't be unattended and doesn't really have the responsibility to take care of these pets themselves, but the parent's should be teaching proper handling practices rather than just rehoming their animals.

Plus it's going to start a wave of exotic pets being thought of as dirty and gross, and our animal shelters will be filled with them if people take it to heart Undecided
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 09:50:49 AM »

Seriously, I don't understand this.  I certainly did my research beforehand and I think that is a very basic step in the adoption process.  If the parents don't know the risks and how to prevent things like this, then they shouldn't have children or pets in the first place.  There is a risk with any animal or toy or food or taking the child out of a sterile environment.  Its about understanding those risks and taking precautions, not about eliminating all risk! 
And my dog is likely to bring more bacteria in on her paws than my rats will ever have.  I hope people don't take this to heart and think that they need to get rid of their pets because they had a child.  Its stupid and I really hate the idiot doctors who can't be bothered to research and make an informed opinion to discuss with new parents.  It really hits a nerve with me!
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 10:00:32 AM »

In my mind, any doctor who subscribes to this train of thought gets a red flag immediately and I do not use that doctor ever. Its would tell me without a doubt that the doctor has done absolutely no medical research and should not, in my opinion, have a license to practice until they show they've done some research. Its just like the doctors who tell people they can't have cats when pregnant. Aren't doctors supposed to know that the risk of getting sick from your cat while pregnant is so small it's almost non-existent and that all people have the same risk of catching something from the cat even when they aren't pregnant? People need to start taking their doctors/teachers/whatevers' opinions with a grain of salt and cross-reference everything that is said to them.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 10:04:39 AM »

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"Our recommendation is that no animal should be a pet for kids 5 and under," said Z.G. Standing Bear. He runs a rescue operation near Pikes Peak, Colo., for abandoned hedgehogs, which became fad pets about 10 years ago.

I have to agree with that. Adults who happen to have children can still own the pets, but I don't think any child needs a pet. It doesn't teach them responsibility, and I personally think 6 or 7 is still too young. I doubt my 8 year old brother could adequately care for a living creature, he can't even remember to do all his homework - and I was the same way. We had a cat when I was a kid and my mom had to do all the work.

I recently got a hedgehog from someone whose child was basically abusing it, poking it with a stick and ignoring it the rest of the time. Hedgehogs are not a pet for kids, not just because of disease risk but because they aren't even great pets for most adults! They take a lot of work, time, and many of them never really like to be played with, picked up, etc. I wouldn't say their quills are actually that risky, most people I've talked to who've owned MANY MANY hedgies have never even had their skin broken, but I could imagine a child's skin is softer and maybe that would happen. (oh and HOW cute is that hedgie in the photo?)

Lizards and turtles - yes, they ARE risky for diseases. For some reason, children like to put everything they find in their mouths, including their hands after they've touched something. All animals have germs but ones that are especially risky - why risky your children? Keep the lizard in a large enclosure and everyone will be safer.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 10:48:45 AM »

Hmm. I have a 5yr old and 4 yr old. We have 2 dogs, 1 cat and 2 rats. I tell people that they are family pets. My kids are WAY too young to care for an animal, and they are pretty responsible for their age. They help out; my 4yr old feeds the dogs, they each take a leash when we walk the dogs, and the 5yr old picks up rat poop after we've played with them out the cage. But if they forget that's fine, because it's MY responsibility overall.

I have also made sure the pets we chose are a good fit for our family. Like when we wanted a 2nd dog, sure I would have liked a different kind, but I went with a dog that was a better choice for ALL of us.

I think that our pets have taught the rewards of patience to the kids.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 10:57:18 AM »

I grew up with exotics, my kid is growing up with exotics.  This article means nothing to me.   Wash your hands after handling and cleaning the cages, etc.  that is all. 

Also, the article should extend to cats and dogs, stop excluding them merely because they're "traditional" 
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 10:58:00 AM »

Aren't doctors supposed to know that the risk of getting sick from your cat while pregnant is so small it's almost non-existent and that all people have the same risk of catching something from the cat even when they aren't pregnant?

It's not that they think you are at higher risk of getting sick while pregnant, it is that toxoplasmosis is really only harmful when you are pregnant.  Once you contract it, you will have it in your blood for life, which isn't a big deal.  If, however, you contract the disease while you are pregnant it can actually be dangerous.

That being said I certainly didn't get rid of my cats while I was pregnant, I simply asked my husband to take over all litter-scooping responsibilities since I didn't know if I already had toxoplasmosis

I have to agree with well.. most everyone here.  Who, in their right mind, leaves their young kid to play with / care for an animal alone?  My kids have jobs regarding the pets and plants. I think it is great to teach them responsibility, but a parent has to make sure that things actually get done and get done right!

I do think that it teaches them responsibility to care for a pet, though.  My daughter, for example, waters two plants that she has claimed for her own every morning.  Once she had been diligent about watering her plants for a long enough period (two months) she was allowed to get a pet fish.  Every morning when she wakes up, she feeds the fish.  I think it is important (and I'm not saying that pets are the only way to accomplish thing) for children to feel like they have something important to do that is also rewarding to them.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 12:21:14 PM »

Here is an article about a new statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics that families with young children should not own "exotic" pets.

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That means families with children younger than 5 should avoid owning "nontraditional" pets. Also, kids that young should avoid contact with these animals in petting zoos or other public places, according to the report from the American Academy of Pediatrics. The report appears in the October edition of the group's medical journal, Pediatrics.

"Many parents clearly don't understand the risks from various infections" these animals often carry, said Dr. Larry Pickering, the report's lead author and an infectious disease specialist at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

I actually dug up the article in the medical journal, and this is the bullet list of recommendations from the article
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Children younger than 5 y and immunocompromised people should avoid contact in public settings with reptiles, amphibians, rodents, ferrets, baby poultry (chicks, ducklings), and any items that have been in contact with these animals or their environments
    Reptiles, amphibians, rodents, ferrets, and baby poultry (chicks, ducklings) should be kept out of households that contain children younger than 5 y, immunocompromised people, or people with sickle cell disease and should not be allowed in child-care centers
    Reptiles, amphibians, rodents, and baby poultry should not be permitted to roam freely throughout a home or living area and should not be permitted in kitchens or other food-preparation areas
    Disposable gloves should be used when cleaning fish aquariums, and aquarium water should not be disposed in sinks used for food preparation or for obtaining drinking water
    Mammals at high risk of transmitting rabies (bats, raccoons, skunks, foxes, and coyotes) should not be touched by children


I completely understand the concern, but it bothers me a bit for the AAP to issue a broad statement that families with young children just shouldn't have these pets in their home at all.  It's great to try and inform people and help them make educated choices.  But issuing such "recommendations" is a bit overboard.  Especially when it comes from the AAP -- it becomes the standard for judging people.  This paves the way for pets in the home to become a legitimate issue of fact in allegations of neglect/abuse, or in child custody cases.


And I'm sure it will fuel the fires of those that tell prego women "you have to get rid of your rats before the baby comes" (or hamsters, or dragons, or whatever).
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 12:31:15 PM »

This makes me very unhappy. We had a rat when I was two, she was the most wonderful pet to have with such a young child. Having a dog or cat is far more dangerous with young children. (although, I think animals of all kind should be a part of every child's life!) Grrr
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 12:47:59 PM »

My mom sent me that article (mainly so I could "look at the cute hedgehog!") but it bugged me -- I feel like exotics can be fine family additions when children 5 and under are in residence, but parents need to supervise interactions at all times and must teach proper sanitation ("don't stick the tiny tutle in your mouth" or "the litter box is not your indoor sand box" when handling and caring for pets. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 12:58:28 PM »

I grew up with an iguana named Dave. I think animals of ALL species when your young is a fantastic thing.

i also had a guinea pig, hampsters, chameleons.. (i forgot the exact type) a hedge hog and a chicken before i was in the 3rd grade. <.<
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 01:07:08 PM »

It's ridiculous to me how the government or other organizations continue to make black and white statements about what responsible parents should do rater than talk about the real issue which is education. It assumes parents will be irresponsible and rather than talking about how to deal with the issue responsibly, they just say to avoid it entirely and deny your children educational opportunities, not just learning about the animals, but learning about ow to handle them safely.

If rather than telling parents to eliminate exposure, they talked about how to prevent spread of diseases (like salmonella common in reptiles and amphibians) it would be a much greater benefit. All it takes is careful hand and clothing washing and keeping unwashed hands out of your mouth.

Honestly, children have grown up on farms, or catching turtles and frogs in ponds for centuries. This kind of thing ticks me off!
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 01:25:02 PM »

I think the take-home message from the journal article should have been that pediatricians should be asking about pets in the home and educating parents about the potential risks.  And that animal contacts should be in mind when evaluating ill children.

The news article mentioned a case of a young infant getting salmonella and being hospitalized for a month because of it.  He got it from the free-ranging iguana in their home.  It is probably very reasonable to educate parents that some animals pose a risk of salmonella and should not be allowed to free-roam in the parts of the home where your infant is on the floor.  But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have an iguana at all.  I wouldn't have free-ranging rats in the nursery either, but that doesn't make it dangerous to have a secured rat-room in another part of the house.

And I agree Rattiemama -- stop telling me how to raise my children.  The whole premise that edicts from government or organizations should replace responsible parenting just bugs me.  Responsible parents make sure their kids wear bike helmets -- so we better pass a law to make them do it.   Sorta like the whole mentality we're moving to that if there is something, anything that we think people should learn before becoming adults, it needs to be part of the school curriculum since a certain percentage of parents won't bother teaching their children those things.  Or might (gasp!) teach them something different than the official sanctioned opinion.  There's some sort of universality of what "good parents" do, and somebody somewhere is going to make them do it.  And the rules for "good parents" keep going deeper and deeper into our lives.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 01:33:45 PM »

Yay... more ways to turn the public into a bacteria paranoid mass.

Oh well. When we and our children are still alive because the rest of the world died off from exposure to a common bacteria that they waged a personal war against because of the media and commercials told them it was bad. And they become hyper sensitive to lysol which is a pesticide and all their skin falls off leaving them exposed to a once common harmless skin bacteria that kills them immediately because they have bred years of intolerance to it.  Roll Eyes

It will leave much more room for the  rest of us and our nasty non traditional animals  Cheeky

Really, people just need to grow some common sense.  Undecided

Growing up my cousins ate chicken poop. I know Ive had a face full of manure at least once.

We even had free roaming huge box turtles, snakes and chinchillas (not free roaming) and whatever else we could catch.

Stooopid people.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 04:23:44 PM »

YAY! One more stupid excuse for people to abandon their pets. Aren't enough pets already abandoned because of the media telling them that once they have a baby, they don't have time to take a shower, sleep or eat, let alone take proper care of a pet?! Good god, we have a 10 month old son, and we're 3 months pregnant with our next baby, and we have "exotics". Am I going to get rid of them because some idiot tells me that these pets carry bacteria? No, however, some idiots out there will. I'd rather have my kids grow up "immune" to these pets, understand and respect ALL types of animals and learn that they need to wash their hands after touching the pets (as well as anything else that is icky, like other children, toilets, etc). People who shelter their children from everything are going to end up with sickly kids because they've never been exposed to anything to build an immunity to it. Besides, if you're worried about contracting disease/illness/bacteria, then keep them out of schools, daycares and such, where they'll come into contact with 50 times more icky HUMAN transferable diseases, bacterias and illnesses. *Sigh* Gosh, stupid things like this get under my skin.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 04:34:06 PM »

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Lizards and turtles - yes, they ARE risky for diseases. For some reason, children like to put everything they find in their mouths, including their hands after they've touched something. All animals have germs but ones that are especially risky - why risky your children? Keep the lizard in a large enclosure and everyone will be safer.

Actually, CHOKING is one of the top causes of death in children. Nobody should be letting their children pack junk in their mouths in the first place because of the choking hazard, let alone a lizard. The risk of your child choking on the lizard, turtle, whatever is much higher than the risk of salmonella, plus the fact that choking is more dangerous, and the fact that if a child is "eating" the reptile/amphibian, it's not exactly a good outlook for the critter either. I saw an episode of America's Funniest Videos where someone was recording their INFANT playing with a frog, then eating it. First, not only is it absolutely disgusting, second, what if the child had choked? Third, the family didn't prevent any of it, they were too busy laughing in the background and filming, then had the balls to send it in thinking it was funny.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 06:40:01 PM »

I saw an episode of America's Funniest Videos where someone was recording their INFANT playing with a frog, then eating it. First, not only is it absolutely disgusting, second, what if the child had choked? Third, the family didn't prevent any of it, they were too busy laughing in the background and filming, then had the balls to send it in thinking it was funny.

What surprises me there is that AFV actually showed this and someone in production must have thought it funny 
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 06:53:20 PM »

Yay, what fun...I'm sure dd's stupid stepmother and father will find a way to make this mean there should be another visit from child services about the rats.  Grrrr...
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 07:06:20 PM »

I saw an episode of America's Funniest Videos where someone was recording their INFANT playing with a frog, then eating it. First, not only is it absolutely disgusting, second, what if the child had choked? Third, the family didn't prevent any of it, they were too busy laughing in the background and filming, then had the balls to send it in thinking it was funny.

What surprises me there is that AFV actually showed this and someone in production must have thought it funny 


And, to top it all off, don't you get like $100 if your video makes it to TV?! God, let's all be idiots, put our children in danger and allow them to kill animals, and we can win money and get our kid on TV! *Sigh* The human race is doomed. :/
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2008, 07:13:16 PM »

Yeah, already someone on craigslist in my area is adopting out their two hamsters because of this article.  I'm dead serious, Baltimore area. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2008, 08:49:26 PM »

Honestly, children have grown up on farms, or catching turtles and frogs in ponds for centuries. This kind of thing ticks me off!

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