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Rat Care Corner / Re: Bedding/litter
« Last post by Michael C on Yesterday at 10:40:56 PM »
Hi! Did I hear my name?
I purchased the 10 lb. box of crinkled Kraft paper for $18.29. I ordered it online and had it sent to my nearest Staples location. They called when it arrived and I drove out to pick it up.

Rat Care Corner / Re: Bedding/litter
« Last post by Been to the Mountaintop on Yesterday at 09:31:58 PM »
I was able to get big bags of kraft paper crinkles from Staples. Locally it was like 1 bag worth for a wedding gift. Lately we've been cheaping out with dustless paper pellet litter and fleece scraps.
Rat Care Corner / Re: Bedding/litter
« Last post by catemonster on Yesterday at 09:00:08 PM »
So nothing necessarily negative health wise with carefresh? Bigben Iím sorry you had to go through all that trouble! Iíll see if I can find eco-bedding near me or somewhere I can order it. However if there isnít any real problems with carefresh I might just stick to that due to convenience. Thanks guys!
Rat Care Corner / Re: Bedding/litter
« Last post by purple rat on Yesterday at 05:57:55 PM »
I seem to recall that someone on the forum (Michael C perhaps??) really liked the crinkled kraft paper and was able to get large quantities at a cheap price from Staples.
I've been using the Pet Smart version of CareFresh -- it works really well, but it does seem to end up on my socks and gets dragged all over the house  :yelcutelaugh:
Rat Care Corner / Re: Bedding/litter
« Last post by BigBen on Yesterday at 05:21:51 PM »
I prefer Eco-bedding, which is shredded and crinkled kraft paper (brown, unbleached, fairy heavy-duty, a lighter version of the type used in paper grocery bags), when I can get it.  Unfortunately, the last time I tried to order some, the cost of shipping was twice the price of the product.  (It would have been coming from California to New York.)  It is made by FiberCore LLC.

CareFresh makes a similar bedding that they used to call Krinkles, but I don't know if it's still available.  It made a viable substitute for Eco-bedding, but the place that ordered it for me stopped being able to get it in any color but godawful pink, which is what makes me think CareFresh was phasing it out.  I have tried to get a number of stores to special-order Eco-bedding or CareFresh for me, but all they do is take my number, promise to call, and apparently throw the request in the garbage.

I like the Eco-bedding best because it's dust-free, fluffs up wonderfully (so you should use less than you think you should), and the ratties love it.  Also, it's pretty good about staying in the cage.  When I used aspen shavings, they would get everywhere in the apartment and stick to my socks if I stepped on them.

Oxbow makes a shredded-paper bedding, but it's a different cut and shape from Eco-bedding and the CareFresh equivalent.  The Oxbow is more like tiny ripped-up pieces of paper of unequal size, and it's not crinkled, so it slides easily through the bars of the cage and gets everywhere.  It also sticks to everything.  It is adequate, though definitely second-best.
Rat Care Corner / Bedding/litter
« Last post by catemonster on November 20, 2017, 11:04:48 PM »
Hi guys! So I decided instead of adopting (even though Iíd love to) Iím going to be fostering through mainely rat rescue. I pretty much have everything I need but I was curious about your opinions on the natural version of carefresh for their litter. I know thereís been some controversy but of course when I looked it up I couldnít find much. Itís all they really have around me. I will use aspen as an alternative I do love it and it has worked in the past but Iíd like to try something a little less messy. If thereís other alternatives you have in mind too please let me know! Thanks 😁
Rat Care Corner / Re: Annoying vet experience
« Last post by RooRat on November 20, 2017, 01:38:44 PM »
Sheesh. That's ridiculous! While, yes, surgery isn't cheap, that's way more than any rat neuter price I've ever seen. I had two of my boys done for $90 a piece - including the pre-snip exams! When my terrier had her mass removal, I was quoted $300 and it ended up costing $150. It seems like good practice for vets (and, heck, even doctors) to aim high in their estimates. It seems like bad practice for vets to quote one price then tack on an extra few hundred dollars when it comes time for surgery :shocked2:

If I was in your shoes, and if I had access to another vet who knows rats, I'd leave this practice in favor of the other one. If they're hiking the prices up like this, I'd have to wonder what other services they're charging more for than they ought to.
Pack Rat Swap Meet - Classifieds / Looking for Critter Nation add on or DCN - Ohio
« Last post by TGQ on November 18, 2017, 11:34:46 AM »
Looking to upgrade my SCN to a double. Located near Cleveland
Pack Rat Swap Meet - Classifieds / CN For Sale Plus Extras - Nebraska
« Last post by OldsGal on November 18, 2017, 09:27:06 AM »
I have a used Double Critter Nation for sale.  It has custom metal pans in place of the plastic trays.  Asking $150.00.  The cage is assembled and I will not take it apart so you will need to bring a big truck to pick it up. 

I also have a large tote full of misc. supplies including several waffle block houses, several large size igloos, food dishes, water bottles, plus who knows what else is in there as I haven't looked through it in a awhile.  You can have that for $40.00. 

This is all located in Nebraska between Lincoln and Omaha.  If interested email me at as I am never on this forum anymore so I won't read any replies or PMs. 

I can get pictures upon request.
Rat Tails & Mug Shots / Re: Boy, did Neal say the wrong thing!
« Last post by Been to the Mountaintop on November 16, 2017, 08:16:03 PM »
BigBen's right. Before we knew we had ADHD, autism and other challenges in the mix as well as developmental delays, we tried Mandarin lessons. Great friend, great teacher, epic fail. But you had to be there. The inquirer also said, "You're so lucky! They make great scholars and always get into the best schools!" I can't imagine making that kind of assumption, even if positive. Can you imagine telling a black mother, "You're so lucky! They make such great [contraltos, rap singers, football stars, whatever stereotype.] She also asked, "How much did she cost?" Athough when I asked if she were considering adoption and concerned about the fee breakdown, she said, "No--just curious." So while I usually LOVED (probably too much) being an ambassador for international adoption, when we got to the language question Amy had already tried to answer for herself "Me Amy" and "Me amost two" so I let my inner snark out a little and said, "I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Maybe Serbo-Croat." At that point the woman walked away looking bewildered and I, sad to say, was glad. 
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