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Title: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 15, 2011, 09:54:48 PM
It is so hard to describe how you medicate rats to people having issues...its hard to get the concept unless you see it for the most part, so since my friend was here I got her to video me medicating Linnet.    :thumbsup2:  The only thing I missed was to keep their hind feet firmly on your lap for added security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-_bFMkutKk
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Stacy M on June 15, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
Remarkably similar to how I do it, I just have a second pair of hands  ;D  I bookmarked it so I can share the link with others when it comes up.  I'm sure many will find this very very helpful.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 15, 2011, 10:10:56 PM
I think it was good that Linnet was a squirmy little beast not just an easy docile rat. :)  My damn hair covered the shot at one part though  :doh:
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Stacy M on June 15, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
Yup definitely a good "example" rat  :thumbsup2:  It was enough to give everyone the idea despite the hair, don't worry about that.  I wish I'd of had the video and didn't have to learn by trial and error LOL!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: RattiesSix on June 15, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
That's pretty much how I do it, too! They're so difficult, lol. I always have to brace their back against my stomach to get it in.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: MollyElizbeth on June 15, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Wow that looks so easy lol.  We are always mixing the meds with stuff and with some rats it takes over an hour to get them to eat it! 

I've heard if you force syringe medicine they can block their throat or something and the meds won't go down or they will choke?  Is this not true or does your method prevent that?
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Violet976 on June 16, 2011, 12:50:46 AM
@ Molly: You have to aim the syringe to the side, not towards their throat. I made that mistake with my former boy Elwood & the poor thing ended up in an emergency visit. He made it, but the poor thing was in bad shape.

@ Shelagh... only you could make it look that easy.  ::)
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Tabirch on June 16, 2011, 01:11:38 AM
lilspaz68, you are a pro!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Hippidy on June 16, 2011, 02:08:41 AM
I never thought to do it that way! Maybe I will see if Oliver will take his this way. It would make his diet work better if i didn't have to feed him apple sauce 2x daily  ;)
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: THScam2009 on June 16, 2011, 03:12:56 AM
Remarkably similar to how I do it, I just have a second pair of hands  ;D  I bookmarked it so I can share the link with others when it comes up.  I'm sure many will find this very very helpful.

Very helpful video Lilspaz! Thank you so much!!!

Smesyna, it's funny you do that because last night, I wrote a 3 page document on word (because there isn't an automatic spell check on here) for a thread about socializing rats and I saved it because I think I have answered that question like.... 59845895 times on here! LOL!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: maesie on June 16, 2011, 08:41:33 AM
THANKS!!! Great idea. I usually use the general holding position you do but not the finger positions and swapping...
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Deblee on June 16, 2011, 09:17:20 AM
Great video. Thanks Shelagh, you rock!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 16, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
THANKS!!! Great idea. I usually use the general holding position you do but not the finger positions and swapping...

It just gives you a bit more control...if you have a struggler, just wait until they stop and "give up" for a bit.  I sometimes will just let go and pat them until they are calmer and then try again.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Hippidy on June 17, 2011, 12:02:22 AM
omg I tried this in the morning and this night and it's amazing how I can give Oliver meds now!!! It will be so much better for his weight to do the meds this way, especially since he's on lifetime meds. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!  :thumbsup2:

They should sticky this!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Kobayashi on June 17, 2011, 12:08:47 AM
Holy moly thanks for posting this! My boys squirm and squirm so I end up wrapping them in a towel and even then it's so hard to get them to take it!
I'm definitely trying this!!!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Chaosbadgerling on June 17, 2011, 07:36:05 AM
And if you have a larger chunkier rat *coff* Mistral *coff* sometimes its easier to tuck them between your arm and your belly. 



And it made me  :yelcutelaugh: because Yarsi struggles so much much like your girl. 

I find that sometimes you may need to give half a dose, make sure that they swallow then give the rest.  Mab (rip) was a bugger for not swallowing and spitting out the meds  :doh:
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: mischiefmommy on June 17, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
If I can avoid forcing them I do.
So far the things I've found that most of my rats want are
-Fruit Medley baby food by Gerber (almost never rejected)
-Nutrical (fatty, but good for old sickies)
-Cream cheese
-GREEK yogurt. Damned if I know why they prefer the greek yogurt, but mine really do. Yogurt should be a last ditch effort, because it can lower the effectiveness of some antibiotics.

For absolutely last ditch (like when I have rats with respiratory so bad that force medding them gives them horrible attacks) a bit of agave or whipped cream may push any of the above over into nummy, or a mix of butter and sugar. You mix the butter and sugar until when you try it you just want to eat spoonfulls of it forever, it should be very tasty. I've even done butter, sugar and whipped cream  :eek:

For not so ill, but very stubborn, Lilspaz's method is very effective! Also works for nail clipping, though I've found that if you trap one hand while you do the other, they sometimes forget how to struggle
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: liza on June 18, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
:-) Neat video! Thank you lilspaz!

What I also do with those who don't want to take their meds (my Suzie): I leave her where she is (generally in the hammock). I put my hand in the hammock and hold her from the side (my thumb by her belly, the rest of my fingers on her back/bottom). I put the syringe into her mouth sideways (VERY IMPORTANT!!!) and squeeze the syringe. Very fast, done. Right now, she knows what is coming when I pick her up so I have to change the routine of giving meds. When it happens in an unpredictable way to them, it's much easier to administer meds. I don't want her to think every time she gets picked up, sometime nasty is going to happen (=meds). All our other meds kids take their meds from a spoon mixed with baby soy formula or directly from the syringe (willingly).

Where was this video a few years ago when I needed it?  :yelcutelaugh: This is very helpful for so many on here! Thank you for posting this!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: kerri.howard on June 18, 2011, 02:28:49 PM
Do any of you guys have some rats that you have to med while they're sleepy? My loner rat with chronic resp issues will NOT  take meds if I try to get him when he's wide awake (he never bites, but he'll bite then). But if I snag him while he's asleep before he can realize what's happening.... no problem!

(and I do it just like you do, too!)
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Frequently Not On Boats on June 18, 2011, 02:40:05 PM
You make it look so easy! Thanks for sharing, I've always relied on the, mix it with food they like method.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: kerri.howard on June 18, 2011, 02:59:43 PM
I think it depends on the med and the rat. And the size of the dose. Baytril I think is the hardest-- that stuff is AWFUL (and yes, I tasted a bit. it's gross). My old man George, rest his little soul, was the master of holding a dose of anything in his mouth... for MINUTES. I'd hold him up, talk to him, kind of rub his throat to try to coax him into swallowing... but 10 minutes later when I put him down, he'd just spit it out all over the floor and wipe his face on everything....
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Chelsea on June 18, 2011, 03:00:42 PM
If I can avoid forcing them I do.
So far the things I've found that most of my rats want are
-Fruit Medley baby food by Gerber (almost never rejected)
-Nutrical (fatty, but good for old sickies)
-Cream cheese
-GREEK yogurt. Damned if I know why they prefer the greek yogurt, but mine really do. Yogurt should be a last ditch effort, because it can lower the effectiveness of some antibiotics.

Why should yogurt lower the effectiveness of the antibiotic? I've been told it goes the other way around - because yogurt is a probiotic, the meds kill all of the good bacteria in the yogurt. My vet told me not only that I could offer them the medication mixed with the yogurt, to make them take it, but alternatively I could wait about 2 hours to give them yogurt to boost the good bacteria in their system and help them fight off their illness.

Anyway, that video is good :) Thankfully I haven't had to force meds that often, and when I did, I did it that way. Lucky Mishka got really fancy medication that was flavored and everything and he LOVED taking it, haha.

@Liza that is a good idea, haha!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 18, 2011, 03:07:15 PM
The probiotic yogurt can render some antibiotics ineffective when given around the same time, like doxycyline which binds to the calcium.  It's just best to give it 2 hours before or after any antibiotics.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: kerri.howard on June 18, 2011, 03:27:22 PM
Yeah and isn't baytril rendered ineffective by calcium if given together / too close?
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 18, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
Yeah and isn't baytril rendered ineffective by calcium if given together / too close?

I have heard people say baytril as well shouldn't be given with dairy, not exactly sure if its just a rolling assumption or a known fact (kinda like baytril will stunt the growth of a young rat, which is assumed, because it is only proven in puppies).
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: kerri.howard on June 18, 2011, 03:38:47 PM
Yeah and isn't baytril rendered ineffective by calcium if given together / too close?

I have heard people say baytril as well shouldn't be given with dairy, not exactly sure if its just a rolling assumption or a known fact (kinda like baytril will stunt the growth of a young rat, which is assumed, because it is only proven in puppies).

Yeah, I'm not sure. I just don't give it with anything dairy to be safe. =)
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Chelsea on June 18, 2011, 03:46:50 PM
OHHHH okay. I forgot dairy has properties other than bacteria  :yelcutelaugh: that makes sense though.


Yeah and isn't baytril rendered ineffective by calcium if given together / too close?

I have heard people say baytril as well shouldn't be given with dairy, not exactly sure if its just a rolling assumption or a known fact (kinda like baytril will stunt the growth of a young rat, which is assumed, because it is only proven in puppies).

You know, it's interesting that you mention this, because I had never read anything about baytril stunting growth... but Topher was on Baytril and he is really small.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Siana on June 18, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
Yeah and isn't baytril rendered ineffective by calcium if given together / too close?

I have heard people say baytril as well shouldn't be given with dairy, not exactly sure if its just a rolling assumption or a known fact (kinda like baytril will stunt the growth of a young rat, which is assumed, because it is only proven in puppies).

There are studies.  A couple weren't public, but there is one that's available to read: http://www.ayubmed.edu.pk/JAMC/PAST/18-3/12aslamchanna.pdf
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: lilspaz68 on June 18, 2011, 04:18:31 PM
Hmmm...but that is just for 1-14 day old babies given double dosing of what we would normally.  Have they found this in regular dosing in young rats?
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: RattiesSix on June 18, 2011, 04:20:08 PM
I know that a lot of human antibiotics are rendered ineffective when given with dairy, too. So, we just play it safe around here and wait two hours before or after meds for anything like that.

I'm jealous of the people giving their rats meds in food. Mine ALWAYS seem to sense it, no matter what I put it in.  :doh:
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Chelsea on June 18, 2011, 04:52:54 PM
Hmmm...but that is just for 1-14 day old babies given double dosing of what we would normally.  Have they found this in regular dosing in young rats?

I'd be interested to know this as well, cause as I mentioned, I believe Topher's growth was stunted. He's very tiny and although he has grown, it isn't very much. He was on Baytril when was about two months old.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Siana on June 18, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Hmmm...but that is just for 1-14 day old babies given double dosing of what we would normally.  Have they found this in regular dosing in young rats?

No idea.  Like I said, there are a couple of studies that don't appear to be available to the public.  But since these are rats that are growing, I do think it's possible Baytril could impact on the cartilage growth on older baby rats.

In saying that, I would rather have a live potentially small adult rat, than a dead baby rat (I've used Baytril for rats under 3 months before), so I'm not saying Baytril shouldn't be used with young rats.  I definitely think when the benefit outweighs the potential harm, and in most cases they do, Baytril should be used.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: sevenfourteen87 on June 19, 2011, 12:51:40 AM
Shelagh - thank you so much for posting this! The boyfriend and I have been struggling to medicate Cooper twice a day every day. She's just as feisty as your example critter!


We do okay with two sets of hands, but he'll be out of town for a while next week so I'll definitely get to practice medicating on my own!
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Frequently Not On Boats on June 19, 2011, 01:44:09 AM
I know that a lot of human antibiotics are rendered ineffective when given with dairy, too. So, we just play it safe around here and wait two hours before or after meds for anything like that.

I'm jealous of the people giving their rats meds in food. Mine ALWAYS seem to sense it, no matter what I put it in.  :doh:

Baby food (particularly mashed peas) works really well, but if you dilute it too much (which sometimes I need to in order to get them to take it) they'll stop eating before they've gotten it all, so it can be a bit complicated. Also bread absorbs it really well. (Mine really like to physically take it from me. Though it can be a problem if they're hoarders and just stockpile the medicated bread...)
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Winterlest on April 02, 2013, 12:39:42 PM
Thank you so much for this video! I've always struggled with giving medicines to my rats. I usually try to wrap them in a towel but it doesn't help much.

I posted to bump the topic because I find it very helpful.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: RooRat on April 02, 2013, 01:31:46 PM
Wish this had been at the top when I was giving meds  :yelcutelaugh: Luckily I trial-and-errored my way into a similar method through sheer desperation. Worked out though!

Still, it's so helpful to actually see it.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Winterlest on April 02, 2013, 03:36:28 PM
I failed  :D When I try to hold Rodney like this, he twists his body and tries to climb on me. Giving medicines is hard.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: TheBandit on April 19, 2013, 06:27:30 PM
I'm soo happy that this resurfaced again recently! Erebus won't take her meds in ANYTHING but this ridiculous peanut better mixture that is going to make her so fat.  ::) I think I may have to try this. I'm really scared of the risk of the meds aspirating her, though.
Title: Re: Video of How *I* Syringe Meds into My Rats
Post by: Marybelle on April 19, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
I stickied this to make it easier to find as a tutorial, hopefully, though we know that no one ever reads the sticky threads.   :wink5: