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Rat Care Corner / tumor options?
« Last post by kerri.howard on June 28, 2018, 03:42:58 PM »
Hi wonderful people,

Here's the TL;DR:
Are there any meds/supplements/voodoo dances that might help slow/shrink a "benign proliferative process" fibroma in my girl's abdomen?

Here's the long-winded version:

Phoebe is approx. 16 months old. On April 23, 2018, she had surgery to remove (what was later determined to be) a benign proliferative fibroma from her abdomen (going from uterus toward vulva), which had been causing some vaginal prolapse. She was spayed at the same time. During the surgery, the vet was only able to de-bulk the tumor, as some had become too entwined with her urinary tract and could not be removed. Subsequent check-ups over the next 4-5 weeks (...we had to go back more than usual, because she pulled open her incision...) showed no signs of the mass growing/returning. She was on enrofloxacin, meloxicam, and metronidazole (added after she opened the incision) up until her last check-up on May 31st, 2018. At that point, she was given a clean bill of health -- the leftover bits of the mass had shown no signs of growing again.

Earlier this week, I noticed that Phoebe's abdomen looked a little larger, and I could see a slight mound above her urethra. Monday, when I picked her up and touched her belly to gently inspect the area, she squeaked in discomfort (she's not a squeaker). She has also seemed to have less bladder control these last couple of days, and tinkles on me more than usual.

Vet yesterday took another x-ray, showing that the mass seemed to have grown since the last visit. There was also a spot of mineralization, but the vet said it was unclear whether it was on the mass or if it was a bladder stone (but felt like it was likely to be on the mass).

She prescribed Phoebe .08ml of meloxicam 2x day to help her discomfort, and is looking into whether there are any other medications that may help to slow/stop the growth of the tumor-- such as bromocriptine or cabergoline.

Could bromocriptine or cabergoline be effective (and safe)? Are there any other medications/treatments we should consider to keep Phoebe comfortable for as long as possible? Someone on the "Real Rat Lovers Want to Know" Facebook group suggested Lovastatin, but I can't find much about it.

Another surgery is financially doable, but seems like it wouldn't be worth if it the mass is growing back to problem-size in two months (especially because since she is an incision chewer, last time she had to wear a vest that she hated).

Also, is there anything I can/should do in case the mineralization is a bladder stone, and not on the mass?

Thanks :)
Rat Care Corner / Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Last post by kerri.howard on June 28, 2018, 12:24:39 PM »
Thanks all! Momma and babies are doing fine. There were 14 originally, but a couple days ago went down to 13.... (no sign of the 14th, I'm guessing it died and Momma ate the corpse).

Any advice with super aggressive Mom, though? I only had her two weeks before the birth, and she was timid but had gotten to the point where she'd lick my hands/come up to investigate my lap. Since the birth, she wants to murder me. :) I had been cautious and trying to give her space, but she started trying to attack my hand even if I was just giving her a treat. So now to check babies/refill water/clean a LITTLE bit once a day, I set the cage on the futon, quickly open the door (before she bites me) and then steal the cage for ~5min while she runs around on the futon (which is covered in tents/igloos/rat toys). I feel bad for basically ignoring her most of the time, but sometimes if I even talk to her while she's in the cage she will lunge and jump up on the bars like a little velociraptor. I just want her to be as happy and comfortable as possible.

Her cage is in my office/rat room -- so it's pretty quiet, I am the only one that comes in here, but I kinda have to be in here most of the time during the day. The only other place I could put her would be the bathroom, but that would mean moving the cat litter box and she'd still have to see me a lot because I have to pee constantly. :)

Sorry to ramble! Here's baby pics as tax:
Rat Tails & Mug Shots / Re: Current Mischief
« Last post by gramma2jaakk on June 26, 2018, 01:24:33 PM »
They are all so cute!! CongRATS!
Pack Rat Swap Meet - Marketplace / 18.00 For A set Of Three hammocks
« Last post by Ratlover57 on June 24, 2018, 10:51:59 PM »
Come Check out My hammocks i'm selling on Facebook trying to get a vet fund going before adopting my Baby's i made all the ones posted out of blankets from goodwill so since i don't spend a arm and a leg on fabric i can pass the savings on to you. i have 25 sets up right now they consist of a bunk-bed, a peek-a-boo, and a flat. i also have a few sets of non matching flats for 15.00.
Sorry for the human losses and was so sorry to hear about Bartholomew. You may remember he was so much fun for us while you were being treated for your accident I selfishly wanted to keep him. Although you were kind enough to let me do so, I knew you loved him too, and first. So glad he found ratties he could tolerate. Here, he was a total non-rat rat even after neutering. I bet he made a great ambassador. Who knows---he may have been older than we thought. As much of a shock as it is to find a body, at least you didn't both have to suffer a long drawn out "something."
Rat Care Corner / Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Last post by Been to the Mountaintop on June 23, 2018, 07:56:06 AM »
CongRATS! Do you know about baby mash for mom and eepers?
Adoption Center / Re: Chicago, IL Upcoming OOPs babies for adoption
« Last post by kerri.howard on June 22, 2018, 08:09:40 PM »
14 babies born on June 21st!

Pics here:
Rat Care Corner / Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Last post by BigBen on June 22, 2018, 12:35:47 PM »
The heating pad should be fine, as long as she can move the pups somewhere cooler, if necessary.  And I believe that they are capable of their own thermoregulation after a few days.  Can't remember exacly how many days, but surely by the time their fur grows in.

Birth takes about ten minutes per pup, so if you wait double that time and no new one appears, she should be done--unless there's problem; and I don't know what to tell you to look for.

Lilspaz68 has a great deal of rat experience, including births, I believe, and should be able to advise you better.  If you search on her username, you can click on the e-mail button and reach her directly.  (I'm not sure how often she is on the forum these days, so an e-mail is probably better than a PM.)

ETA:  Marybelle and Suebee could probably help, as well.
Rat Care Corner / question about babies born this morning!
« Last post by kerri.howard on June 21, 2018, 01:49:56 PM »
Hi all,

I posted in the adoption forum about my (surprise) preggers adoptee (Tiny).... I woke up to lots of little eeps this morning!

I have had rats for 15+ years but this is my first time dealing with birth/a litter. Since realizing Tiny was pregnant a few days ago, I have read and re-read everything I could find about caring for mom and the little ones.

But at this moment I still have some questions/concerns about labor/this first day:

I stayed up late keeping an eye on Tiny because I expected her to give birth last night. As of 7 this morning, no eepers... I woke up again at 10:40 to eepers (3 that I could see). As of 12pm there were at least 8, and now (12:35) the eeping has quieted (edit: by the time I typed this post, we're back to eeping). Tiny is in my "hospital" cage-- I think it's the Kaytee one, single level plastic bin bottom with small-spaced white-coated wires that snap onto the bin part. I had put a large piece of fleece down to line the bottom and given her lots of paper towel chunks. She has built her nest by pulling up the fleece "floor" and turning it into a roof. I can't see the babies unless I open the roof, which irks her (she nipped me gently but sternly). I don't want to stress her out, but I want to make sure she has really finished labor/no babies are stuck. There was some blood on the white paper towels -- not an alarming amount, but it looked like a little more than the "normal" pics of pre-birth bleeding I've found. But, there could be more... the plastic bin is dark blue, and best I can see she has cleared away the paper towels so the bubs are directly on the plastic mostly.

So I guess the question is -- how can I be sure she is done? how much harm/stress will I cause by peeping at her? I got Tiny on June 3rd, she was "4-5 months old." She was very timid at first, but had become very sweet and pretty trusting of me right up until labor (licking my hand, taking treats, coming to sit in my lap, etc.). So we aren't really super bonded but we're also not yet BFFs. :)

Also, since the babies are on the plastic, I put a heating pad under one corner of the cage to help keep things warm (same one I use under cages for old folks/post-ops). Is that okay?

Thank you all!!! And if you're anywhere near Chicago and want to adopt in 4-5 weeks... let me know!
Rat Tails & Mug Shots / Re: In memoriam Bartholomew (2/20/16 to 6/15/18)
« Last post by gramma2jaakk on June 20, 2018, 04:01:59 PM »
Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear of Bartholomew passing! I've been going so am just now seeing this. You gave him a wonderful home, given how his life as a pet first started. I'm sure he will be missed, and is missing you and his cohorts in rattie heaven.
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