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Title: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 14, 2006, 09:14:59 AM
My latest rescue Bronwen, was surrendered to a local shelter as a stray on Aug. 4th and I got her Aug. 9th.  She came in alone but I believe was captured in someone's backyard.  I noticed the day after that her nipples were very noticeable and since I have very little first-hand knowledge of pregnancy since I have been oh so careful.   ::)

This sweet little girl gained 12 grams in 3 days but I am thinking its the good food and a growth spurt (she's 3-4 months old).  I have palpated her belly and it feels absolutely normal its just those nipples must mean something.
Two things I am wondering.  One, if she had had a litter previously would her nipples change afterwards and stay prominent or do they go back to normal?  Two, could she have had a litter and either the nasty owners dumped her and the babies outside since they didn't want to deal with it, or she had her litter outdoors when she was free and they died and she was captured?
I have taken in a lot of rescues and this one has to be the sweetest one I have ever ever met...Dilbert and Brie have character but this one just needs a halo.   Even when she is test-nibbling my finger she has a dreamy expression on her face.    ;D

Belly pics...
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwensbelly1.jpg)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwensbelly2.jpg)

And one pic where she is smushed into my lap for over an hour sleeping...no obvious belly there that would match the nipples...hahaha
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwennotfat.jpg)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: angelratgirl on August 14, 2006, 09:41:19 AM
she may or may not be packing...
some rats love to confuse the heck outta you during their pregnancy
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 14, 2006, 10:04:40 AM
Well if her nipples are prominent then it would be about a week or less and I should know for sure?
I'll keep weighing her daily then.

This is not needed at this moment. :(  I have Rennie and the babies coming here in 3 weeks...oh god.   :-\
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: javakittie on August 14, 2006, 10:24:48 AM
Oh! You poor thing. If it's not one thing it's another. You and your ratties need a nice long vacation.

I can't help you out with anything, but I hopek that she's not carrying. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: Topaz on August 14, 2006, 10:28:56 AM
My PEW's nipples always stick out like that...

I hope she's not pregnant
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: dragynflye on August 14, 2006, 01:05:17 PM
most of my girlies nipples stick out like that.  although it is definately easier to see on a light colored belly!

if she came in as a stray and was fed crappy food before hand, i wouldn't weigh her daily.  i would expect her to gain weight now that she is on a good diet, and if you weigh her daily and see that weight gain, you may cause yourself to panic for no reason.  i would just give her lots of nummy food and sit back and wait.......

**hugs** for taking the angel in and i'm sending lots of "not preggy" vibes your way!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 14, 2006, 01:11:16 PM
most of my girlies nipples stick out like that.  although it is definately easier to see on a light colored belly!

if she came in as a stray and was fed crappy food before hand, i wouldn't weigh her daily.  i would expect her to gain weight now that she is on a good diet, and if you weigh her daily and see that weight gain, you may cause yourself to panic for no reason.  i would just give her lots of nummy food and sit back and wait.......

**hugs** for taking the angel in and i'm sending lots of "not preggy" vibes your way!

Thanks dragonflye, this is what I needed to hear!   ;D

I am only weighing her daily to see if all of a sudden she has a big weight gain, so I can tell whats normal for her and whats not.

If she is I will deal with it, but I do have her on .05 cc's of doxy twice a day for a tiny sneezing problem.  Should I stop just in case?  Her sneezing isn't serious but I thought I would jump on it before it did.  I could stop it for a while with no ill effects I would think.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: flyingteapot on August 14, 2006, 01:28:06 PM
Miki is a small framed girl with a little extra weight (bahaha. last time she was at the vet she was 237g. my girls are on the small side, so this is chubtastic for Miki  :yelcutelaugh: ). anyhow, she has a white belly and her nipples stick out. have since she was a few months old. I sort of associate it with her chubbiness and light color.

but yeah, I agree on the waiting, she's likely to gain a bit with all the good food!

p.s: she has the cutest face ever! jdghdfh. I love PEWs.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: RKEM on August 14, 2006, 01:56:44 PM
Personally I think she's not pregnant and just enjoying the food. Most of my girl's nipples used to stick out like that. And if you look at her from the top I think I see a little sunken in area in her belly. I think she has more room to fill with all the yummy food you will provide her.

Sometimes it's impressive how much rescues can eat, especially if they have been starving in the past.

*gently pokes the little pew belly*
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 14, 2006, 01:58:49 PM
Thanks everyone!  I won't worry then.  She has allowed belly kisses from the day I got her, so I will give her many from you guys... :bow:  I just figured, with my luck....LOL  :-\
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: Ligeia on August 14, 2006, 03:40:23 PM
I'll just throw in my opinion on prominant nipples.  I've never seen BJ's, but Emma's were very obvious well before she spent her wild night with the boys.  I don't know if it has so much to do with color (since BJ has a white belly), as it does with the thickness of their fur.  I'm sure its nothing to worry about, but I wish you the best of luck anyway.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: Marybelle on August 14, 2006, 10:25:57 PM
Yeah, all my white girls have nipples that really show.  And those lower nipples in particular.  I wouldn't worry TOO much about it.  :)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 15, 2006, 09:06:40 AM
Yeah, all my white girls have nipples that really show.  And those lower nipples in particular.  I wouldn't worry TOO much about it.  :)

I have 4 other rescue PEW's here and none of their nipples are quite like Bronwen's so I just wanted to make sure.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: angelratgirl on August 15, 2006, 10:28:29 AM
ya know, if she is packing on weight just from eating good food, then maybe it is making her nipples stand out as her belly gets bigger from ... muscle gain, yeah thats it. muscle, not fat. all those extra grams gotta find room somewhere.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 15, 2006, 10:39:32 AM
ya know, if she is packing on weight just from eating good food, then maybe it is making her nipples stand out as her belly gets bigger from ... muscle gain, yeah thats it. muscle, not fat. all those extra grams gotta find room somewhere.

Well she has gained 10 grams since yesterday...hahaha.  She's now 289 g.
I have an "unfortunate" ability to take in rats and have them gain weight.  A bit too much Suebee's maybe?   :cheeky:  She is overall bigger though not just her belly...haha.  I took in 2 one year old girls from a shelter (they had been born there) and even though they were full grown they just looked odd, not ratty shaped at all.  Yep I got them to gain weight too   :doh:
I have decided that even though I would love lean, mean running machines that if my rats carry a bit more weight I prefer it, since when they get sick that weight just drops off of them.   :(

She's not very active either which could account for some of the weight gain.  She loves to cuddle and she walks slowly everywhere.  I think its because she has always lived in that 1' x 1' hamster cage and never got to bounce or run like a baby should.  :-\
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...questions?
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 16, 2006, 10:12:22 AM
Oh oh...I'm starting to worry again.  :(

I have been weighing Bronwen everyday since I hear this is the most obvious sign of pregnancy.  Here's what I have

Aug. 11 – 267 g

Aug. 14 – 279 g

Aug. 15 – 289 g

Aug. 16 – 302 g


Thats a total of 35  grams in 4 days.  Is this normal?  She is not very active and prefers to cuddle and occasionally walk around, and she loves food, so maybe this is the weight gain?  Sigh.  Oh huuuge question, I have her on doxy for little sneezes, should I take her off of it just in case??

Okay on to pics of my sweet...don't mind the mucky face, I woke her up, weighed her and took pics...she hasn't had time to clean up  ::)
from the side (looks nice and normal)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenfromtheside.jpg)

from the top
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenfromabove.jpg)

belly pic 1
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenbelly3.jpg)
belly pic 2
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenbelly4.jpg)

 :eek: :eek: :eek:  Help?  Advice?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: angelratgirl on August 16, 2006, 10:43:15 AM
HOOOOOOO that is a pear shape if ever i saw one.
she be preggers.

i don't know about the meds but try searchin for preggers and med or doxy or baytril or... or...
lord, i don't know what to say except i know a preggers for sure belly when i see one.

huge hugs.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: javakittie on August 16, 2006, 10:54:01 AM
Ooh.. Yea.. That does look rather pear shaped.. I'm not an expert, though.. :dontknow:


I really hope she isn't pregnant, and is just packing on the pounds. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: JennJenn on August 16, 2006, 10:58:42 AM
She looks just like Bella did before she had babies.  I definitely think she looks like she is.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 16, 2006, 11:01:16 AM
How long do you all guess before she gives birth?

Oh s**t!!  I looked up doxy and you are definitely not supposed to give it to pregnant rats as it retards skeletal development.  I got her a week ago, and she has been on a low dose of .05 cc's for 4 days...would the babies skeleton already have been developed by then?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ginniejollie on August 16, 2006, 11:14:10 AM
Whoooops  :eek: Certainly looking pear shaped.  Here's a link I found, you may have already for meds during pregnancy

http://ratguide.com/breeding/basics/medications_and_breeding.php

It doesn't mention Doxy, hoping it will fall under the Amoxicillin heading, still to check, will get back to you
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 16, 2006, 11:18:19 AM
Doxy is under tetracycline...sigh

Avoid
Tetracycline (May impede development of fetal bones and teeth)

No one seems to have done a study of fetal development in healthy rats just when it was subjected to this drug or other...:(
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ArcticSilver84 on August 16, 2006, 11:25:26 AM
That is defn a prego belly. I had thought she was pregnant when you showed the nipple pictures but didnt want to say anything just in case she wasn't. Now that you show the new pics plus the rapid weight gain I am positive she is. Fingers crossed for a small healthy litter of bubs.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ginniejollie on August 16, 2006, 11:37:45 AM
Further research confirms what you have found  :(

Basically the crux of the comments are:
" Special Warnings
Tetracycline should not be given to pregnant rats because it can be toxic to the liver and interfere with bone and tooth development in the fetuses. "   

and
' tetracyclines—Broad spectrum, effective against Mycoplasma, Pasteurella abscesses. Good for respiratory infections, prevention of infection after injury or surgery. Tolerated better than many other antibiotics. Don’t use in pregnant animals. '

the link is as follows:
http://www.ratfanclub.org/resp.html

Now before you panic too much, all the surfing I have just done, mainly regarding humans, but as happens our rats have been used to test these results.

The main problem is to the teeth rather than the skeleton and any liver damage that may occur (unusual) regenerates itself once the pups have been born.

The doses you have been giving and only for four days are nominal in relation to the tests done, so......I would cease giving her this type of medication, if she needs more, she can have one of the safer ones.   Again, all these things DO NOT affect the baby in early pregnancy, it only starts to have an effect in the fourth month (teeth) and nine month for liver.   

I feel you have no real worries, but definitely stop the meds.     Hope this helps.  :) :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: javakittie on August 16, 2006, 11:40:12 AM
No experience with rats, but I had a young cat that wound up being pregnant. She was on several different meds and a steroid before we found out she was pregnant. The vet said just to stop the meds and see what happens. Can't undo what's been done, just make the rest of the time as good as we could. She had a small litter of 3 kittens, and 2 survived and were just fine. Vet felt the third kitten died of something not related to any of the meds.

I would think that at such a low dose over 4 days couldn't have had that major of a result. And it does say *may* cause those things. Not 'it will most definitely'. It also doesn't mention how large of a dose was used or how long it was used for in the cases they studied.

I wish I could help more! You and Bronwen are both in my thoughts, and I'm sure you're both going to get through this just fine. Let me know if there's any way I can help.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: angelratgirl on August 16, 2006, 11:51:28 AM
Quote
Again, all these things DO NOT affect the baby in early pregnancy, it only starts to have an effect in the fourth month (teeth) and nine month for liver.

is that from a human site or a rat site for after birth?

and don't worry too much lilspaz... i am pretty sure the babies will be okay.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ginniejollie on August 16, 2006, 11:59:35 AM
AngelRatGirl, My apologies, I thought I explained myself, I know what I mean  :-[   

I could only find tests done on rats, for the purposes of human information.  So the results are given as to what happens to a rat on these meds pregnant.   

Sorry, I'm finding it hard to fully clarify, but as Shelagh has stated, there do not seem to be any tests done on rats, for rats use, so we have no recourse but to look at these tests.  :(

Hope this helps.  :) :heart:

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: moonsingingfreak on August 16, 2006, 01:38:35 PM
When I first started reading this thread, I looked at your girl and thought "silly Shelagh is being too worried.. Maggie's nipples look JUST like that (actually a bit bigger.... You can't even see Emma's)"..................
I take it back!
Oh my... this is not what you need right now.
I've been thinking about adopting in the near future.... I may just be a candidate when she pops!
Keep us updated.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: aphoeniceus on August 16, 2006, 02:10:26 PM
Oh yeah, definately preggers... *hugs*  Good luck with the bbs.  When they start to show like that, it usually is a sign that the bbs will be there within a couple days.  Id wager a guess: 3 days from now? 
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 16, 2006, 02:46:49 PM
Will she be fine without a box or anything like that?  I put one in and she shoves it away and sleeps in the corner like she always does...hahaha
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: kit on August 16, 2006, 02:55:07 PM
 :o   :doh:  Wow, the luck you have had!!  She is beautiful and will no doubt have beautiful, healthy and hopefully a small number of babies!  Good luck and keep us posted :wink5:
Hang in there
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 16, 2006, 03:00:29 PM
I guess I should think of this as part of those learning processes. Like learning how to inject Sub-Q with Soma, and Selene's pyoderma and re-socializing Shrek and intro'g him back to Bella, etc. You need to go through experiences to learn with our ratfriends I find.   ;)  She is the sweetest thing, so it could be worse. I am hoping for a small healthy litter, and no problems from the 4 days of Doxy.

At least the Ottawa rats have almost all been rehomed so that is good, but I guess I was fated to have a litter and I did such a good job rehoming the Ottawa family that Fate stepped in and dropped an egg on my head.  ::)

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: moonsingingfreak on August 16, 2006, 10:51:39 PM
It is fate. You seem to have only the best rats... these will certainly be the best babies  :)
I figure, if you give her a box and she wants to use it she will... can't force anything, right?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: dragynflye on August 16, 2006, 11:58:06 PM
i am glad she is with you.  at least this way she is happy and well cared for, and her babies will be happy and well cared for! 
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 17, 2006, 08:47:27 AM
Well she gained 17 grams since yesterday, so she is gonna explode   :yelcutelaugh:

Do rats get sore like pregnant humans during their pregnancy?  Would she appreciate some back massage (gently of course)?  She loves the pats and body strokes right now, she just keeps shifting like she is a bit uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: angelratgirl on August 17, 2006, 10:09:51 AM
if she is still accepting rubs then i would give her rubs every chance you get. and i can totally understand her shifting around. she doesn't want to just relax and cause any additional discomfort to her charges inside. what you can to is kind of cradle her tummy in your arms so that her tummy hangs freely. if you feel movement like kicking or serious shifting in her tummy, you will know that she will pop in the next day or two.

i had a chance to see little ones kick and move inside a pregnant rat i had charge of and it was so amazing to watch for it. kindof like watching for shooting stars.

i think she is gonna let you handle her babies from day one (or two) too. if she were gonna be biting and protective, she would have already started. she trusts you.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 17, 2006, 12:08:21 PM
can we start guessing? i guess 6 eepers. good luck!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ginniejollie on August 17, 2006, 12:14:43 PM
What a great idea, I think 8 eepers, 5 boys, 3 girls  ;)  :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: aphoeniceus on August 17, 2006, 03:37:54 PM
12 eepers... 6 and 6 :)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 17, 2006, 03:42:22 PM
12 eepers... 6 and 6 :)
Nooooo!!  I like 6 total!    :doh:   :eek:  ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: javakittie on August 17, 2006, 05:03:14 PM
I know it's a shot in the dark, but maybe if I put the idea out there, Bronwen will take it into consideration..

5 total. 3 boys, 2 girls.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: mandycoot on August 17, 2006, 05:11:57 PM
One REEEEEALLY big baby!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: moonsingingfreak on August 17, 2006, 10:30:02 PM
4. 2 and 2!  ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: BaraLahatiel on August 17, 2006, 11:27:59 PM
7 because ratties are mischievous and always give us more than we ask for!

3 girls and 4 boys.

Good luck. I doubt the meds will cause any significant damage, if any. Just give her a little added calcium just in case and keep an eye on them. If the babies were bad off, her body would have aborted the pregnancy. I hope she doesn't have too many. Can't wait to see the babies.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: jorats on August 17, 2006, 11:59:00 PM
I'm going with 11, 7 girls and 4 boys.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 12:54:37 AM
After ignoring everything for a week and refusing to sleep in the box I see Bronwen is shredding paper and really nesting with the paper towel in the box.   Is this it folks?  Is she going to wait til I go to sleep (I have a vet run in the morning so I need some sleep) and I will wake up to little eeps?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: Vampress on August 18, 2006, 02:05:34 AM
This is it, lilspaz!

Move her to a quiet, warm area (preferrably dark) so she can give birth in peace. Don't handle her - she's either in labour or just about to go into labour, and it's gunna be sore  :BlueDumboSmileTongue:

Eepers should be here in the next 24 hours! Good luck!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: moonsingingfreak on August 18, 2006, 08:09:44 AM
Ohhh wow Shelagh! Updates?!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Nothing yet.  She has gained 10 grams since yesterday, but she is pretty quiet today.  I am off to the vets today to have the lil spayed girls staples removed and will be gone for 4 hours...wanna bet the wench does it then?
I will let everyone know as soon as I hear/see anything .   :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ginniejollie on August 18, 2006, 09:15:52 AM
Everything's crossed, I hope little Bronwen has a trouble free delivery, I'm sure she'll be a good mum, there's just something about her........mmmmmmm maybe being the cutest, gentlest little PEW girl helps  :cheeky: :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 12:06:01 PM
Good luck Bronwen! We're rooting for you!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: Dorasmommy on August 18, 2006, 12:20:50 PM
awwww, eepers!
good luck, Bronwen  :rattysmiley:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: susschen22 on August 18, 2006, 12:22:12 PM
Aww...I just started reading this thread...I hope everything goes well and it sounds like if the babies are anything like mommy they could be the most wonderful ratties in the world!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: JennJenn on August 18, 2006, 02:04:50 PM
I say 9...3 boys 6 girls
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: ~Stacey~ on August 18, 2006, 02:07:13 PM
eee babies!! I agree with the nice quiet place for her. I covered my girls cage with a towel and she had them pretty quick after she started her crazy nesting!

Good Luck lilspaz and Bronwen (love her name btw!!)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 02:58:57 PM
Still no babies, but she's rotund, I weighed her and took quick pictures and stroked her til she bruxed (doesn't take long   ;D).  She's still sweet but has been test nibbling a bit more when in the cage.  She is in the livingroom in a dark quiet corner and I covered her cage with a dark fleece throw.

C'mon people, tell me there's no more than 4-5 babies in this little girl? 
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenday9.jpg)

Yeah right!!!   :doh: :eek:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bulgybellygirl.jpg)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: BaraLahatiel on August 18, 2006, 03:28:03 PM
Well.. do you want the truth or a lie?  :eek:

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...more questions? 08/16
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 03:29:04 PM
Hahaha...I can take it!!  I think...*gulp*

OMG I just peeked into Bronwen's cage and she is on her shelf trying to sleep facing away from me.  I saw what I thought was a contraction!! And then afterwards high up on her flanks she flutters and moves.  Are we imminent now?    :hyper:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: mamarat2 on August 18, 2006, 04:56:58 PM
Wow lilspaz...I just caught up on this thread!  Is she in labor?????  We expect pics of the babies asap when they arrive  :)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: dwankrista on August 18, 2006, 05:21:07 PM
*does the pinky dance*
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 05:51:44 PM
Lots of contractions and her breathing has changed.  She has gone back to lying on her shelf again but I can see the ripples and lil jumps she makes.  Her expression is enduring at this point.  :P  When she was lying down at the bottom of her cage, she would have a contraction and then start grabbing papertowel and dragging around. lol

Don't worry as soon as she lies down stretches out a bit and its starting to look more serious I will drape the cover back on her cage so she can get on with it.  :D

May I join the Pinky Dance with you dwankrista?  ;)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: angelratgirl on August 18, 2006, 06:34:48 PM
(http://raticons.angelratdesigns.com/delux/yogie.gif)
or
(http://raticons.angelratdesigns.com/delux/eeper.gif)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: BaraLahatiel on August 18, 2006, 06:41:14 PM
Well considering the pictures, she looks to be about the size of my rescue girl Sable, but a little smaller. Sable had 9 survive. I'd say no more than 8 or 9. But it is hard to tell, depends on the babies and whether the antibiotics could have stinted their growth any. But I doubt you'll have any troubles, just keep an eye on her.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: Amykins on August 18, 2006, 07:06:22 PM
I was just able to read through this whole thread!  Wow, you have some luck!  But, I'm happy it's YOU who has this stuff happen, because I know how amazing of a rattie mommy you are, and others wouldn't do what you do for your babies. 

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 07:30:29 PM
sing to the tune of rain rain go away:


pinkies pinkies come today
come today for Shelagh
come on out now, don't be shy
but don't be more'n 3, 4 or 5!


i have no idea if shelagh rhymes with today, but it does in my head, so there. ;)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 07:50:45 PM
That is sooo sweet!!!  Shelagh is pronounced just like Sheila...LOL
Works for me!!!!   :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: Poisonetta on August 18, 2006, 09:57:11 PM
So many babies comin' 'round!

It's pinky season! :hyper: Make sure we have pictures, and are we awarding the correct guesser with the honor of naming a bub?

I guess 10 bubs!

C'mon, Bronwen, make me a winner! (and take good care of the babes, like we all know you will!)

 :cookie: &  :heart: for the new momma.

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: ginniejollie on August 18, 2006, 10:06:04 PM
C'mon Bronwen, I have been up and down ALL night, checking this thread, get with the program girl LOL!  It's soooooo exciting, cannot wait, sending lots of *calming, serene vibes* across to Bronwen and mittens to rattie mum, to stop her chewing her nails.  :cheeky: :yelcutelaugh: :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 10:17:44 PM
I've decided to treat this event like Christmas when you were a kid.  You can stay up as late as you like but Santa only shows up when you are asleep..LOL....BUT there's nothing to stop you waking early early to see if he came!

She's still lying on her shelf watching me now.  Now I feel like I am Waiting for Godot.   :doh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: Poisonetta on August 18, 2006, 10:20:16 PM
Good luck waiting for him. From what I hear that guy is kind of a flake.  :yelcutelaugh:


But, seriously, make her have them faster!

This is worse than waiting for ketchup to come out of the glass bottle at restaurants!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 10:32:12 PM
I'm turning into quite the insomniac, so here i am, waiting with you...
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 10:32:28 PM
I think she knows there's a whole pile of people waiting and she is taunting us!

Nyah nyah nyah!
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/Bronwenwontgetonwithit.jpg)

Ahh but then she gave me a kiss so I can't be upset with her tardiness   :heart: :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
I'm turning into quite the insomniac, so here i am, waiting with you...

Hahaha...you're not an insomniac because of Bronny are you?  You're just joining the Watch? I'd feel guilty if my tardy wench was keeping people from their beds...


Oooh finally.  She's on the bottom of the cage tearing into the paper towel again.   :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 10:41:59 PM
no no, just joining the watch. the other expectant mother on this thread just gave birth did you see? ten eepers. hope bronwen has less. say 6? because then i might get to name one? hehe. go bronwen go!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 10:44:05 PM
It's pinky season! :hyper: Make sure we have pictures, and are we awarding the correct guesser with the honor of naming a bub?
I guess 10 bubs!
C'mon, Bronwen, make me a winner! (and take good care of the babes, like we all know you will!)
 :cookie: &  :heart: for the new momma.

I guess thats the going rate these days?   :book1:

Oh Poisonetta, you have to pick how many of each sex too!  I am going to have to start writing these down.   ;)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: javakittie on August 18, 2006, 10:55:22 PM
Bronwen's not the reason I'm still up [It's only 11 here, people! It's early!] but she's the reason I'm still on the board, hehe.

Oh, and lemme know if you're stuck on names, Shelagh. I've got a ton after trying to figure out what to call Tully.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 10:59:44 PM
hey 11 is late for me- a teenager needs her beauty sleep  :P
no but really. ahem.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: jorats on August 18, 2006, 11:01:07 PM
I need to go to bed and get up all refreshed for my 5 to 6 hour trip to Ottawa tomorrow... so I can bring back Rennie and those babies and Hobo too.  :P
But this is too exciting!!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 11:03:24 PM
hey 11 is late for me- a teenager needs her beuty sleep  :P
no but really. ahem.

Hahaha...Robinstar, you forgot to say how many girls and boys...just in case there's a tie, altho no one has picked the same amount yet..haha   ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 11:05:26 PM
i'll stick by six until someone else guesses the same number!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 11:07:49 PM
I need to go to bed and get up all refreshed for my 5 to 6 hour trip to Ottawa tomorrow... so I can bring back Rennie and those babies and Hobo too.  :P
But this is too exciting!!

Oh go to bed...she's sleeping on the shelf again...hahaha...can I rename her Bronwen Godot Hall?

I'll email you Joanne before you go, and I will update everyone else as soon as I hear those wonderfully loud eeps.  :)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 11:08:29 PM
i'll stick by six until someone else guesses the same number!

You don't want pick how many boys and how many girls?  Just for fun of course.   :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 11:09:48 PM
ok ok but i still win if there are 6! i choose ummmmmm.... 4 boys and two girls. yes.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 11:11:51 PM
Well, go get your beauty sleep, I have my rescue litter and Momma waiting for me on the bed.  The tunnels and tubes aren't as much fun unless I am there I guess.   ::)

Must play and laugh now  ;)

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: angelratgirl on August 18, 2006, 11:13:24 PM
something tells me she isn't having them for at least twelve more hours. after all, she is taking her sweet dippy time building a nest. and lilspaz should spend some time watching her tummy to see the bubs kick. now that is a sight. even better than feeling a human kid kick IMHO.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: javakittie on August 18, 2006, 11:13:38 PM
Ack! I was just reminded I have to go to work in the morning. Fuuuuun!!!   :confused:

Suppose I need to go to bed. Need to hurry up and win the lottery.. Oohh! Then I could steal all of Bronwen's eepers and have a proper rat room for them  :laughing7: 

Anyhow, g'night Bronwen! And all you other people, too.  :wink5:


ps: I apparently am smilie friendly when sleepy. HAH!  :happy8:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 18, 2006, 11:15:35 PM
alright alright, ill still be here, but you go have your fun... just kidding, really, enjoy this precious time. good luck.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 18, 2006, 11:20:40 PM
something tells me she isn't having them for at least twelve more hours. after all, she is taking her sweet dippy time building a nest. and lilspaz should spend some time watching her tummy to see the bubs kick. now that is a sight. even better than feeling a human kid kick IMHO.

I think you are right.  I'm going to bed (as such), I have the family out now and then its Dilbert and his girls...haha.  I wonder if I can sleep while being swarmed by little ratties?  ;)

tty in the AM

She
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: Amykins on August 19, 2006, 03:05:01 AM
Now I feel like I am Waiting for Godot.   :doh:

I know this is off topic, but have you seen that play Shelagh?  I remember going to it when I was a teenager and it was the LONGEST 4 hours of my life- then Godot never even shows up!!!  I remember the stage being all black and there was one log as the "set".  As you can see, I am still scarred by the event!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: mandycoot on August 19, 2006, 03:12:07 AM
That's existentialism for ya! Watch Waiting for Guffman--much more enjoyable. :)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 05:25:31 AM
Now I feel like I am Waiting for Godot.   :doh:

I know this is off topic, but have you seen that play Shelagh?  I remember going to it when I was a teenager and it was the LONGEST 4 hours of my life- then Godot never even shows up!!!  I remember the stage being all black and there was one log as the "set".  As you can see, I am still scarred by the event!

Yeah I saw it a long time ago, as a teenager in Free Theatre...as you said the longest 4 hours of your life   :yelcutelaugh: :yelcutelaugh:  I think there was the log and maybe some wooden trees as a backdrop so at least I had a tiny bit more eye candy...LOL
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/19
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 05:32:21 AM
So its 5 am here, I couldn't sleep so I am making coffee (bet I pass out by noon :P)
I come out and Bronny looks at me all sweet, confused and....still fat!!!
She's taking her own sweet time, and I am sorry for all the people who agonized over each second with me... :-\

I just weighed her and she is now 346 grams...she gained 17 grams since yesterday   :o
Does she not realize that I am starting to have dreams of like crazy amounts of babies the bigger she gets.....aaagh!   ;)

She's in my lap bruxing and seems quite content...unlike us. ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: ginniejollie on August 19, 2006, 05:39:43 AM
Good morning, hope you enjoy your coffee  ;D  Please give Bronwen a scritch for me and tell her at some point, she just has to "POP!!"  :laughing6:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 06:01:01 AM
Good morning, hope you enjoy your coffee  ;D  Please give Bronwen a scritch for me and tell her at some point, she just has to "POP!!"  :laughing6:

Drinking my coffee now...mmmm.
But about telling Bronwen anything?  She just isn't listening to my pleas anymore  :BlueDumboBigEyes:
She's having a nice nap...isn't it good that someone can sleep?   ::)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: javakittie on August 19, 2006, 07:39:55 AM
Oh! Poor girl's just exhausted by the ordeal of having dozens of people around the world anxiously awaiting her delivery. Either that, or being that cute takes alot out of her..

I didn't sleep well, either. I acutally had a dream that Bronwen had her eepers, but they were varying pastel shades instead of just pink. And as they grew older, their fur was that same color. Imagine an Easter Green Rat. Oh, poor thing.

I'm going to continue to drink my coffee. I'll have a post up in Rat Care if the girls continue to try to get their sip *as* I'm drinking mine. Something about drowning rats, I'm sure..
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 19, 2006, 09:32:47 AM
goodness, no eepers yet? bronny is like a pot ( a watched pot never gives birth and all that)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 09:46:41 AM
Still waiting.  I have seen a stronger contraction, she really sucked in her sides recently, but now she is in her box resting.

Here are pics of my small white beached whale..

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/beachedwhale.jpg)

Don't you see the expression of "C'mon lets just get this over with!"

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/fatgirl.jpg)

Nope its really...."mmmm...breakfast"

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwen/mmmbreakfasty.jpg)

I'm thinking those contractions I saw originally were like preliminary ones, and we haven't seen the labour ones yet.  Another day of watching and waiting.  Ummm...if she's awake would it be okay to vacuum?  I don't want to upset her but I figure once the babies get here I probably won't for awhile.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 19, 2006, 09:50:16 AM
poor girl, i would not appreciate having contractions for that long! eep! gentle  :-* to the soon to be momma.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: munchies slave on August 19, 2006, 09:53:21 AM
is there another room you could put her in and close the door heck even a closet would muffle it somewhat. im not sure though i just might get a little angry if someone vaccumed around me when im in labour. lol maybe playing the babies classical music will make them smarter like us humans or make them just want to play the piano all the time.

wow this is a long anxious wait and she looks super tired.    
 
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: javakittie on August 19, 2006, 09:53:53 AM
Won't she start spotting when she's about to take the plunge, so to speak? I was browsing through the breeding thread, and saw something about that. Sorry if I'm totally wrong!

You could try moving her to the other room while you vacuum, maybe?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 09:59:26 AM
Hmmm....maybe.  She was never disturbed by the vacuum cleaner before...no huddling in the corner for this girl.  I think I will put her cage in another room when I vacuum and that might work.  I sure won't do a good job, just enough that people who might visit don't see the shavings kicked out all over the floor.   :wink5:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 19, 2006, 04:23:17 PM
eepers yet?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 04:36:33 PM
No.  She's sleeping.  I guess she fooled me.  *blush*
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: mamarat2 on August 19, 2006, 09:06:46 PM
Ok no babies yet???  Keep anxiously checking out this thread!!! Bronwen  :poke: is it time?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 19, 2006, 09:14:35 PM
No babies...do you think there will ever be babies?   :BlueDumboBigEyes:

This has been an exhausting day..haha   ::)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lisa.j.31 on August 19, 2006, 09:18:54 PM
I know how exhausting the wait is. Good luck and your doing a great GREAT job  :heart:

(she will probbly have them while you are asleep or off doing something else  :wink5: )
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: Ligeia on August 19, 2006, 09:24:07 PM
I know Emma sure made sure I wasn't looking when she had her babies.  Maybe Bronwyn (love that name btw) is waiting for a little privacy too.  But I'm too excited to let her have any!  :BlueDumboSmileTongue:  Keep checking her and keep us updated.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/18
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 06:56:13 AM
So no babies yet, folks, just a gain of only 8 grams now...does this mean that she is slowing down because she's almost full?    ::)

Morning weighin
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwensmorningweighin.jpg)

Just cuz she's cute and rolypoly
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwensttocute2.jpg)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronwenstoocute.jpg)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: javakittie on August 20, 2006, 07:05:09 AM
I needed that this morning! Nothing like a cute lil Bronwen to perk ya right up. You should sell little cards with her face on it. Or atleast I should print one out for myself. Hang it up at work. Aww.

Give the sweetie some scritches for me. I shall resist the temptation to ask for some belly raspberries, even though she's got the perfect tummy for it now. I'm sure no pregnant female would enjoy that.  ;) Anyhow, glad she's still doing well, even if she is stringing us all along with promises of little eepers.  :yelcutelaugh:



Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: ginniejollie on August 20, 2006, 09:27:44 AM
*sigh*  I guess there's still nothing happening at the Bronwen household?   I think it might just be the time to take wee Bronny on a very long walk, down a very Bumpy road.  :cheeky: :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 09:57:02 AM
Oh don't even tempt me!!   :wink5:

Poor thing sleeps on her back or her side with her beached whale belly exposed.  Just like a hot rat but she's A/C'd...can't be too comfy for her either.  I keep telling her its for both of our sakes if she just gets on with it...LOL
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: liza on August 20, 2006, 10:45:37 AM
I totally missed out on this threat, hadn't read it until now...

Oh man...

Yay for you for taking her in - haha, and now this waiting! I would go insane!
Anything yet?  :yelcutelaugh:
At first, I thought she was just very hungry, but now...

She sure is very, very pretty! Such a sweet face! You cracked me up with that breakfast picture! Strawberry Ensure?

Hopefully the doxy didn't hurt the babies.

Keep us posted!

I'm chewing my nails off for you... waiting... and waiting....
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 11:11:08 AM
She sure is very, very pretty! Such a sweet face! You cracked me up with that breakfast picture! Strawberry Ensure?

Keep us posted!

I'm chewing my nails off for you... waiting... and waiting....

Yeah I gave her strawberry Ensure, baby cereal with mixed fruits, and some baby formula for a bit of extra calcium  :)

You and I are both going to have to start wearing gloves before we bleed...LOL

Oooh, when she is sleeping quietly on her side, I can really see the babies move...its like a tiny mini Alien movie...sooo cool!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 20, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
can you see how many there are?  :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: angelratgirl on August 20, 2006, 11:15:39 AM
oh what a kissable belly! and you would be kissing her and every single little eeper inside her. she so loves you, and your joy and excitement is making this time of waiting much more endureable. not to mention the scritches. oh.... those scritches are just..... bliss.

i guess 12. 5 boys 7 girls.
but i am hoping for six big woppers.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: liza on August 20, 2006, 11:29:53 AM
Hahaaa! I just thought 'Man, what's wrong with Angelratgirl? 12.5 boys?'

hahaaaa! Then, I got it! I guess I need another cup of coffee.

My nails are all gone. Gah... (not that they ever have the chance to be there to begin with...)

Babies!!! We are waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sweet, sweet momma! As calm as she is, those babies will be awesome!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: Arlene on August 20, 2006, 12:00:33 PM
I might as well put in my "guess" while I can. I'm guessing 8--3 boys and 5 girls or 3 girls and 5 boys. Sending healing to little mama! Good work Shelagh! If I can help,let me know!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 12:10:24 PM
can you see how many there are?  :yelcutelaugh:

No clue.  I just watch carefully, figure out the rhythm of her breathing and wait for the little Aliens to push up thru her skin...Her skin's pretty tight and full so you don't see a lot but its definitely eepers.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: liza on August 20, 2006, 12:17:45 PM
2 boys, 6 girls.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 12:21:10 PM
2 boys, 6 girls.

I am hoping for more girls that means I get to keep some.  :D

I might as well put in my "guess" while I can. I'm guessing 8--3 boys and 5 girls or 3 girls and 5 boys. Sending healing to little mama! Good work Shelagh! If I can help,let me know!

I will let you know.  Thanks for the offer!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 20, 2006, 03:32:11 PM
a new song for glinda the good witch:

come out come out wherever you've been, come out little eepers, come out for bronwen!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 03:43:50 PM
Awww  :) I'll sing it to her when she's awake.  I'm trying to leave her alone today, she will need her rest when the Aliens spring from her belly... :binkybaby:

She can be dead asleep, but when I creep up to check her, she smells me and wakes up...its very sweet but not conducive to relaxing.   ::)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
Well, silly me, trying to feel babies thru her belly.  I have her in my lap, stroking her as usual.  When I was stroking her I felt a small hard lump and thought it was her hip bone...then it moved!! And again and again...hard little heads and bodies.    ;D ;D  They don't move fast, its rather a slow deliberate movement, and very unmistakeable.    :hyper: :blob3:

OMG I've been sitting here grinning like a little kid, thanking Bronwen for this experience and letting me feel that.  When I have my fingers on the sides of her belly (breath held) I am not stroking her as I should be, so she was very gracious to let me do this.    ::)
ARG you were sooo right!!!  The feel of what I am sure was a little paw sticking out and moving was breathtaking!  You're right its like looking for falling stars...   :love5:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: angelratgirl on August 20, 2006, 06:47:05 PM
the kids are getting ready to come out soon, moving into position. everytime i had a chance to see it, it was usually by the next day when i had eepers.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: ginniejollie on August 20, 2006, 06:59:50 PM
Now things definitely sound exciting, you are both in my thoughts and I am sending across lots and lots of *healing thoughts*, cuddles and hugs, that all will go smoothly.  Gentle scritches to you Bronwen girl.  :) :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 20, 2006, 10:23:55 PM
Its 10:20 pm here and the babies are moving non-stop practically.  Those lil eepers are so active, and you can see them pushing and shifting under her skin.  Bronwen is not as comfortable about being held.  She tries to relax and mush into my lap for the stroking but then gets fidgety and starts moving around, so I put her back in her cage.    I can still pat her in the cage all I want, and its very happily received by her.   My guess is tonight or during the day tomorrow.  :)

I can't wait til I can take a proper deep breath.  :)

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: javakittie on August 20, 2006, 10:56:29 PM
Aww! She's just waiting for me to have a day off of work! She knows how much I wanted to be there for the two of you, and she just couldn't bear the thought.  :yelcutelaugh:  Least, that's what I'm going to tell myself. Okay, Bronwen! I've got my coffee, and I'm prepared!  :thumbsup2:

Your poor fingers must be raw, having gone through all your nails! It's a good thing you don't get eepers very often, you wouldn't have anything but stumps. Course, I'm one to talk; I just stopped biting mine back in June, haha!

In the words of my sweet friend while trying to coach his dear friend and his dear friend's wife through her delivery, "Remember your breathing exercises.. Both of you.."  The 'dear friend' was military and was in Korea for the majority of his wife's pregnancy, so my friend wound up having to talk him through talking his wife through her delivery. Very funny story that.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: Dorasmommy on August 20, 2006, 11:31:47 PM
She really is just the sweetest looking little thing.  I bet her rittens are supercute!!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: Amykins on August 21, 2006, 09:00:35 AM
Any eepers yet??? 
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 09:18:29 AM
Gosh no!  Why ever would you think there would be eepers?    :wink5:  She did manage to gain yet another 10 grams.
At least I know they are in there!   :cheeky:

I am going out to meet 2 people from this board for a ratty toy shopping trip and then back here to meet the Horde, and hopefully some new faces...I will be gone for about 4 hours   ;D

Every morning I wake up and her cheerful little face is looking at me with a "What?" expression.   She is really very fidgety in the last day or so, so I have high hopes but no expectations.  LOL

All together now "C'mon Bronwennnnnn!!!!"
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...I felt the babies!!!! Update 08/20
Post by: ginniejollie on August 21, 2006, 10:07:12 AM
Enjoy your mum time, you've earned it!!!!!!!!     Bronwen will probably oblige you and deliver whilst your gone,  :BlueDumboBigEyes:  that's Murphy's Law, you know.  :yelcutelaugh: :heart:

p.s. want pics of all the beaut new toys and stuff you've bought..............please.  :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS!!! Update 08/20
Post by: mandycoot on August 21, 2006, 11:03:55 AM
Eeeeeeeepers!!! Congrats Bronwen!

But I was expecting a REAL update :poke: Post pics when you get a free moment from cooing and fawning all over them!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 11:08:26 AM
All I can hear is one of them.  Bronny decided not to nest after all with the lovely ripped up paper towels but to dig under the paper towel lining her cage and I can't see a damn thing!!   :-\

What a lovely sound.   ;D ;D

I hope she's doing okay under there.   :BlueDumboSmile:

I'm going to quietly sit near the cage and see if I can hear more of them.  :)

Pics and stuff will have to wait....lets get them all born first    :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: ArcticSilver84 on August 21, 2006, 11:10:10 AM
OMG HOW EXCITING!!! WAY TO GO BRONWEN. Let's keep this litter a small healthy one for your moms sake lol!  :balloon: :hyper:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 12:08:26 PM
I saw at least 3 babies with her, and she is the protective mom (putting herself between the babes and me) but not nippy or anything...Just a "Not just yet Mom..."

 :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: ginniejollie on August 21, 2006, 12:19:24 PM
Bronwen would have to be the sweetest little soul in the world, so far, three wonderful little pups, so are we calling them..........the Bronlings  :yelcutelaugh:  When you are permitted, please give Bronwen a scritch and a chin rub, from me.  Well done little Bronwen and Congratulations to the new Ratgrandmamma  :yelcutelaugh:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: javakittie on August 21, 2006, 12:33:16 PM
Yay!!!  :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:

Bronny's such a good girl, having em before you left out to shop. I'm so happy for you both! She'll finally be able to really enjoy those scritches now that she doesn't have a mass of Aliens moving around in her belly. And we'll finally get to see eepers!

See, I told you she was waiting for me to have a day off.  :wink5:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 12:37:34 PM
Well there are a lot more than 3 babies (I lifted the papertowel) and I noticed some dark eyes and some light eyes so we might have a mixed colour litter.
I managed to get one pic...and I think she is feeding them now.  I will check for milk bellies when I get back in a few hours.  Let the poor Mom sleep and relax a bit.   :)

I managed a couple of bad pics...Bronwen wasn't upset at this at all.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/Bronlings.jpg)

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/Bronlings2.jpg)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: jvc on August 21, 2006, 12:41:40 PM
It's true!! They're really here. Good job, Bronwen. Congrats Sheilagh. :heart: :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lisa.j.31 on August 21, 2006, 01:07:26 PM
Yay!!! CongRats on the new bubs  :heart:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: angelratgirl on August 21, 2006, 02:08:36 PM
hehehehe, i knew it would be today. when they start doing summersalts in mom's tummy they are lining up to come out. those babes have already felt love and will be ever so sweet to whoever adopts them. mom will make sure of that.

i bet she is beaming. tired but beaming. or is it glowing...

find some smooth black cloth or some other dark color for when you start taking pics of the bubs. it makes for some very striking pictures.

jaw rubs and smoochies for bronwen.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Amykins on August 21, 2006, 03:04:14 PM
Awww!!  Look at those little feets and faces and bellies!!!  Yay Bronwen!!! 
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Arlene on August 21, 2006, 03:26:01 PM
How exciting! Good job Bronwen! CongRATulations, Grandma Shelagh! he, he
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 21, 2006, 03:47:25 PM
YAY EEPERS CAME!!!!! Happy birthday eepers! yay! yay! yay! :party:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 04:34:33 PM
Okay, there are 13 babies in total and Bronny was awesome, and charmed Spatx and Moonsingingfreak with how sweet and gentle she was.  She spent the time on the couch having a little explore and cleanup.  Some have dark eyes and some have light eyes.  They all have milk bellies of some sort and ooooh baby baby rats are the sweetest!!!!!!  Little tiny paws, little mouths that think your hand is a nipple!  They are all lively and Bronwen seems like she is going to be a good mom.  Dark cloth is noted, how about a turquoise fleece instead?

Wheeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: robinstar1989 on August 21, 2006, 04:42:25 PM
i guess 6 was a little overly optimistic, but 13 is good too! YAY  :balloon:
now, distributing the eepers. one for you, one for me, one for you, ten for me, what? *innocent look*
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: happybat on August 21, 2006, 05:47:36 PM
Congratulations on your (Bronwyn's) litter. I hope that they are all miracles of health and, when the time comes, easy homing.

Catherine
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: JennJenn on August 21, 2006, 06:02:35 PM
 :balloon: CongRATulations!  It is such an awesome experience.  It's so neat watching them grow and change everyday.  Wait until they open their eyes and start wrestling and eating paper in the nest.  It is the most adorable thing ever!  Enjoy it!!  :balloon:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: javakittie on August 21, 2006, 06:19:34 PM
Yea, my guess of 5 was waaayyy off, but I figured it would be. They're so adorable! I'm glad everyone's doing well!

Do you have a theme, or are you just going to name them?
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Ligeia on August 21, 2006, 06:20:45 PM
Wow, thirteen!  :shocked2:  Go, Bronwen!  :occasion16:  Babies are just the greatest, aren't they?  Congrats!!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Rosies_Mom on August 21, 2006, 06:25:29 PM
Our 2 little Smeezy girls have nipples that stick out just like that. Fortunately they have never been around intact males and do not resemble pears.

As far as nesting?!? She will tell you when. Just keep the box close to her with lots of nesting material.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 06:46:51 PM
Our 2 little Smeezy girls have nipples that stick out just like that. Fortunately they have never been around intact males and do not resemble pears.

As far as nesting?!? She will tell you when. Just keep the box close to her with lots of nesting material.

hahaha...she just gave birth so I don't have to worry anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: angelratgirl on August 21, 2006, 06:48:51 PM
er... rosies_mom ... methinks you missed the other five pages during which we have guessed how many, lilspaz has felt kicking, and this morning, woke up to eepers. :D

eee! thirteen. a bakers' dozen of healthy yeepers.

Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Rosies_Mom on August 21, 2006, 07:25:53 PM
**blush**
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: mamarat2 on August 21, 2006, 07:35:31 PM
Congrats on the babies!!!  Gentle kisses and scritches to mama Bronwen!   :party: Happy Birthday Babies!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: Amykins on August 21, 2006, 08:45:15 PM
Woot!!!  Eepers galore!!!   :hyper:  13 is a nice round number Shelagh!!   :wink5:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 10:02:08 PM
I had Spatx and Moonsingingfreak over here to meet the clan, and they just left.  After threatening a few pocket removals of my other girls.  :yelcutelaugh:  Being a good hostess I didn't post but did read everyone's sweet replies.  :)

I will take proper pics of the little guys tomorrow with as dark a cloth as I can get.  Bronny decided nesting just wasn't her thing but making castles from papertowel was.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/bronwensnest.jpg)
And she is chewing bits and weaving it together....haha.  I just checked the wee ones and the ones I see had big milk bellies, I have watched her lick them to stimulate elimination and clean them...she's as sweet a mom as she is my ratty companion.   :heart:

She isn't leaving those babies and is very quiet under there, I actually was handfeeding her thru one of the chew holes..haha.  Still sweet but the priorities have changed for the moment.   ;D

Ahhh I feel so tired and relieved that I could sleep for days.   ::)

Thank you, thank you everyone for all your support   :bow:  and stay tuned tomorrow for pics of the wee ones.  It won't be first thing unless I wake up at some obscene early hour since I have a vet run for a rat not recovering and a rat at the end of the road.   :(

Shelagh
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: munchies slave on August 21, 2006, 10:02:33 PM
13 is a lucky number.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 10:19:49 PM
13 is a lucky number.

13 and I am pretty sure there is a PEW boy in the lot.   :wink5:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 10:49:58 PM
Bronwen...deflated and ravenous...here's the baby I just adopted   ;D
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/Bronwendayofbirth.jpg)

And a better pic of the eepers..
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/bronlingsday1.jpg)
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 21, 2006, 10:51:56 PM
Don't worry Mods...now that the birth was trouble-free, and now there's only ooh-ing and ahhh-ing to be done, I will start a new post in Rat Tails and Mug Shots for the Bronlings.   :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: moonsingingfreak on August 22, 2006, 12:36:16 AM
Bronwen is just tooo sweet, even after just having babies.
 :-* to our pretty girl and her eepers... my first eepers ever  ;D
I was faaaar too willing to throw silly Maya and Brie in my purse, but I think Dilly would have missed his "Breezey" too much.
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 22, 2006, 12:47:58 AM
For those people who have never heard the sounds of babies...here ya go... :thumbsup2:

(turn up the volume)
http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/rattiluv/Bronlings%20Teya%20and%20Rennie/?action=view&current=DSCF5054.flv
I'm so tired but I can't sleep so I came out here, Bronwen came to the door of her cage for a kiss, and then I made her a late night dinner.
Ooops...my tea is brewing...gotta go.  ;D
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lisa.j.31 on August 22, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Oh Shelagh I am so happy for you and Bronwen!! I am glad all those eeepers have big full milk bellies!!! Now get some rest you deserve it!!!
Title: Re: Prominent nipples on young female...EEEEPERS Finally!!! Update 08/21
Post by: lilspaz68 on August 22, 2006, 08:19:46 AM
I have started a new thread in Rat Tails and Mug Shots...if you still want to follow the story we are there.   :cheeky:
Oh and new good pics added today plus a little surprise.    :yelcutelaugh:

http://www.goosemoose.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,118/forum,rat/topic,4010369.0