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Offline mandycoot

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2007, 02:17:52 PM »
Wanna know why she likes those companies better? Offices get paid to carry and sell those products!

Actually, no they don't. But whatever. She probably likes them better because we don't get a lot of nutrition in school (which sucks) and it is a company she knows and feels comfortable with- the same reason some vets use Ft. Dodge vaccines versus Pfizer.

What do you mean? Every vet office I've been to gets kickbacks from substandard companies to stock their products.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 10:34:23 AM »
Ok, so  back to the RMB's.  I am currently feeding one bone a day with Wellness kibble, and he LOVES it.  I had no clue which bones to buy though and ended up with I *think* beef neck bones for about $.20/each.  He spends an hour cleaning up the bone and there isn't even that much meat on it.  What other bones are good and cheap?  Also, how long should I wait until I introduce the next kind of meat and what should I give next?  I think I like supplementing and it will keep the cost of the expensive kibble down for sure.

Wait about a week before intro'ing new meats. Pork neck bones, turkey necks, poultry backs, whole fish, whole cornish game hen (Amos's fave), whole rabbit, and pretty much anything that's not a large animal femur or knuckle bone is perfect. Try not to feed too many poultry legs, as they are weight bearing bones and harder than a neck or backbone. Wings are very boney, so feed only once in awhile. I'm not sure about beef neckbones. I've actually never fed them.. only ox tails. Also, not sure if you're doing this now but make sure you're decreasing the kibble amount when feeding raw. Those extra calories from raw will put the weight on! I've seen people think raw makes their dog fat but when asked how much kibble they're feeding, it turns out the amount was never decreased to include the raw meal in there. :doh:

Oh If you want to go cheap, buy whole turkey and chicken. I bought some near expired chicken for 49c/lb and a 11 lb turkey for 68c/lb. Cut it up in the size you feed, place them in a single layer in bags to freeze individually and then combine them all in a few ziploc bags. I can feed Amos really cheap that way, instead of buying the already cut up turkeys and chickens. Pork neckbones are usually around 99c/lb, I get mine for 79c/lb. If you go with the "human grade" cuts of pork and beef, you'll pay more. Also check meat processing plants. They often don't even package up neck bones to sell. Ox tails are WONDERFUL, I suggest buying one of them. On the thicker around sections, it'll keep Amos busy for an hour. You might want to look into getting canned sardines or mackeral if you cannot find whole raw fish (head attatched, but always gutted) because the omega 3's and wonderful for skin and coat. I buy sardines in spring water no salt added at Walmart for 50c.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2007, 04:42:58 PM »
Bogey's skin and coat are still awful.  I haven't intro'd anything new except some 3V caps that have all the fish oils and omegas plus A,D, and E.  He has lots of danfruff and is oily and stinky still.  YUCK.  The vet put him on steroids and it has almost completely relieved the itching.  So, either the Revolution killed the type of mites he has (2 skin scrapings have been negative), or it is allergy related and I will have to pull him off of all meat products to see if that is the culprit.  Otherwise though, I plan to start adding in more meats.  Right now I didn't decrease his kibble because the steroids are making him so hungry.  He will get less in a few weeks though. 

Anyway, he is 42 pounds and 10-12 months old, so what formula do you use for feeding a younger animal... about 3% of body wt?

Thanks so much for all of the info.  I just want to get him as healthy as possible.  (And quickly because I can't afford these vet bills!!)
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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2007, 08:05:37 PM »
When did the skin issues start? It might not be a meat issue. I see that Wellness has oatmeal, rice and barley in it. Maybe it's a grain allergy. My beagle is allergic to rice, corn and wheat. He vomits them up for the most part but if any gets through his system, he itches miserably. Also, what came to mind is dandruff and stinky skin is a symptom of detox. When switching to an all natural diet, the body rids of all the processed stuff from the former commercial diet and sometimes detox can last for weeks. Have you tried other protein sources? He could be allergic to ANYTHING. Beef and chicken are the most common meat allergies, with grains and dairy also at the near top. Try switching dog food to another Wellness formula with a different protein and see if that helps. You may want to discontinue raw for awhile until you figure which protein it is, IF it is. If the allergies don't clear up with another protein source, then you have a good idea it's something in the dog food, and you can narrow it down from there. In that case, you might want to feed him raw, only one meat source and then slowly do a trial, adding in the different ingredients in the Wellness to check which will cause a reaction. It could be an environmental allergy as well. Tests can be done to effectively pinpoint that, but food allergies are best done by an elimination diet and process of elimination.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2007, 01:45:32 AM »
I havent been feeding raw lately because of a hike in meat prices and I had my horse hauled over here so I am short on the cash.

BUt, I did previously and intend on returning to Raw, Kibble and Canned. I know some say not to do that but I've been doing it for almost a year now and have had excellent results. I just feed the meat and kibble at different feedings.

Anyways I STRONGLY reccommend Raw feeding and if you cant/dont/wont feed raw then at the very least give them a high protein low carb, no filler/low grain holisitc dog food. Our dogs arent made to have food that is mostly corn (read the labels..Iams, Purina, Science Diet...corn is near the top of the list in most of their formulas..)

Here's what I feed my 2 dogs, when I am feeding raw/kibble/canned mix.
Kole, my Lab/BC/GSD mix is 60lbs and gets one chicken leg quarter, a handful of ground beef and a small piece of fish (tilapia etc, whatever I can get in the BIG boxes at Wal-Mart)
That is one feeding. In his kibble feeding he gets 1-2 cups of Innova EVO, Canidae, Solid Gold grain free, etc, 1/2-3/4 can of Wellness canned food, and then a veggie/egg mush that consists of 2 eggs in the shell, 2-3 baby carrots, 2-3 pieces of broccolli, green beans, and whatever veggies I have available that day, then it is topped with a piece of organic whole wheat bread torn up occasionally I will add half an apple or orange or some other fruit.
Dally, my BC, is smaller, only 30lbs, and she gets the same sort of tings as Kole except less. She gets only the rib portion of the leg quarters as she doesnt properly check the drumsticks, she lets 1 egg, 1-2 carrots and broccolli and less of everything in general due to her size.

I feel that dogs meals should contain some veggies, grains and fruits IF AND ONLY IF "predigested", either being cooked, (steamed is best for veggies, boiled for oats but I feed bread) or well blended first. I think, contrary to some's beliefs, this is JMHO, that animals will and do eat veggies and what have you but they are from the stomach contents of the prey, which for our dogs would be eaten in a rabbit, bird, etc, that is caught and eaten. I dont feel that they properly digest raw veggies, grains or fruits though and that they should not comprimise much of the total diet.

Now my information just comes from hearing from other people, looking at a few sites and putting together my own thoughts on what my dogs would be eating were they wild. I havent followed the guidelines of anyones specifc plans but have taken what I think from a couple different places.

I feed the kibble and canned because I want to make sure that I am covering all my bases and feeding a HIGH quality food that I trust and has human grade ingredients and contains a compositions (high meat, low carb)  that I have looked up, compared and feel is good.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2007, 11:35:14 PM »
well, shammie is doing absolutely amazing on raw, but with the hurricane season here, i need emergency rations for her.  when we got hit by the four hurricanes, my power was out for 10 days.    i'd prefer no grain food and i'm not sure if i want kibble or canned.  any ideas?
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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2007, 12:06:01 AM »
Pick up some Honest Kitchen - it's dehydrated raw (though it does have veggies, egg etc) :)  All you need to do is add water and wait.
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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2007, 12:11:42 AM »
Nature's variety makes freeze dried medallions that might be a bit easier. Honest Kitchen looks, to me, like a powder.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2007, 01:32:56 AM »
If the freeze dried doesnt work out for ya I'd recommend canned. Maybe it's jmo but kibble is much more cooked, losing more of the natural nutrition, then canned. Maybe feed canned and kibble (that's what I'm feeding right now, I rotate between the high end kibbles for different protein soruces and use either Innova EVO canned or Wellness)
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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2007, 09:29:30 AM »
Nature's variety makes freeze dried medallions that might be a bit easier. Honest Kitchen looks, to me, like a powder.

I use Honest Kitchen on a pretty regular basis and when mixed it is the consistency of a thick, lumpy oatmealish substance- however it is not pulverized and you can see chunks of the actual ingredients. 

HK makes all their foods in an FDA approved Human food processing facility and uses all hormone/antibiotic free meats - these are things I can't find within the Nature's Variety info, which is why I chose to go with HK.

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Re: Feeding Raw Diet
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2007, 12:38:17 PM »
Nature's variety makes freeze dried medallions that might be a bit easier. Honest Kitchen looks, to me, like a powder.

I use Honest Kitchen on a pretty regular basis and when mixed it is the consistency of a thick, lumpy oatmealish substance- however it is not pulverized and you can see chunks of the actual ingredients. 

HK makes all their foods in an FDA approved Human food processing facility and uses all hormone/antibiotic free meats - these are things I can't find within the Nature's Variety info, which is why I chose to go with HK.

We're actually going to start carrying HK at the store I work at (animal health store) but for convenience, the NV is bigger, doesn't need to be hydrated and may be easier for a dog to eat in an emergency. Whenever I'm traveling with Amos, that's probably what I'll carry because he can eat it in the car right away. I wish Primal or Bravo made freeze dried meals, but I think they only make treats. I'd like an all meat meal, but NV is 95% meat. :-\ I think pre mixed, the HK looks like powder. We got the Embark and Force in and I wonder if the box was thrown around and all because it really is like a powder (not super fine like flour but maybe like sand). It's not supposed to look like that is it? But for the hurricane season, water might not immediately be available if you're stuck somewhere and it would be nice to have something you can feed right out of the package. I think I will try some HK when we get the samples in though. It looks pretty good and Amos will eat anything. He gets canned Merrick once in a great while and loves EVO Rabbit!