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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 12:12:47 PM »
So normally I just lurk over here, but...

On the topic of shots, at least have ALL your pets (even if they're indoor) vaccinated for rabies. That is the main shot we always make sure our babies get whenever they're due. Our cats are strictly indoor, and both our dogs are very friendly and don't run away even when off leash, but if they ever were to escape and bite someone, we don't need to worry about our little ones being taken from us for rabies testing or being euthanized (under normal circumstances). It's not worth the risk to me, no matter how unlikely it is!
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 08:55:43 PM »
My dog and 4 cats have their rabies shot. That is one shot that they have only because it is illegal not to and I also don't want the risks of them biting someone that would then put my pet's life in danger of euthanasia.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 09:14:11 PM »
I figured i'd add my two cents :) I'm using "would" because i don't have my own dog...

Vacs- I would only do the core vacs for puppies, and any updated rabies. Other than that, the other vacs aren't that important.

Fleas/Ticks- I would do frontline. It's very safe, and has only a very small chance of reactions. I personally would never spray my yard for pests, because i don't like pesticides going into the ecosystem and potentially screwing stuff up. Not to mention most dogs enjoy eating grass and sniffing, so they are potentially consuming poison. I trust frontline more than yard sprays. A friend of mine had a dog with lymes and it was pretty bad. I never want to put my dogs at risk that i can prevent.

Heartworm- Totally. Heartworms are scary, expensive to treat, and many times lethal even with the best treatment. A liver-flavored pill once a month is like a treat for dogs, and ivermectin (i believe heartguard is mostly ivermectin) has a pretty wide margin of safety.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 11:05:45 PM »
My dog and 4 cats have their rabies shot. That is one shot that they have only because it is illegal not to and I also don't want the risks of them biting someone that would then put my pet's life in danger of euthanasia.

The protocol is quarantine even for vaccinated animals. The only difference between vaccinating and not vaccinating is that if your cat/dog has a rabies vaccine you can qtine in home. If not vaccinated they qtine at the vet office. Both for 10 days with physical exams performed by a veterinarian every so many days.

On the topic of the safety of flea medications, I would like to see the results from a study done NOT by the companies producing said topical, as in a neutral third party that finds only mild skin irritation to be the prominent reaction.

DrachenDame, I DO know what goes into the treatment of Lyme Disease in canines. If the test comes back positive but the dog is asymptomatic then no treatment is recommended. If the dog is symptomatic, then the recommended treatment is doxycycline for 30 days if there is arthritic joint pain/swelling. If the dog is positive for proteinuria, the treatment ranges from dietary changes, addition of O-3 supplements, low dose aspirin, possible fluid therapy if needed.

Even with a topical on, your dog can still be bitten by a tick. It doesn't prevent your dog from being bitten, it just prevents an infestation of fleas and prevents a tick from engorging itself. And the lyme vaccine available is not even known to be effective or not, according to the top vaccine researchers.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 11:14:31 PM »
Just an FYI -- it takes 24-48 hours for disease from the bacteria to be transmitted after the tick bites and attaches to an animal.  The flea/tick preventative kills the tick before that amount of time and the tick falls off.

As far as the rabies quarantine protocol, if an animal is current on their rabies vaccine, an exam is done on day 1 at the vet's office, and then they bring the animal back on day 10 for the second exam.  If the animal isn't current, then they stay at the vet's office for 10 days observation.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2010, 11:56:01 PM »
heather- its fine if someone lives in an area that is free from fleas ticks rabid animals and mosquitos.

In NC 10 days is not correct so your info does not apply to every state, its  6 mos QT in a facility not at home. I had the same discussion with a couple of vet techs from SC and FL and NC is more lenient as they only require 3yr interval.

With the number of rabid animal reports its not worth the chance.  When I lived in Ohio near Akron there was a rabid coyote in one of the areas of walking paths in the parks that was attacking dogs. This was not a rural area, there are coyotes all over including several that live off one of the international airport runways.
Why would you suggest someone risk their animals health/life based on knowledge of where you live.

Just yesterday I picked a dog tic off my shirt near my shoulder. Around christmas I lint rollered one out of the couch that no one sits on in the front room.
A few months ago I picked 15 tics off my dog that was outside for less than 5 minutes. We know she had gone to the edge of the yard.

Unfortunately she wasnt treated with any spot on because I didnt see any reason to and now it appears we have them in the house. Stooopid me thinking that because we hadnt seen any since keeping her from the edge of the yard we wouldnt have a problem so I didnt continue treatment after the single application after taking the 15 tics off of her.

NOW  >:( I not only have to treat the dog and 4 cats but it looks like I may have to use pesticides IN the house. Something I am not happy about since we have a bird.

We live on a lake that supplies water to the city. Treating the yard is not responsible considering where we live and considering the number of dogs running around treating just our acre is pointless.

Lyme disease is not the only thing to worry about. There is another strain (cant remember the name), hubby got it from a lone star tic it made him very sick for weeks and left an ulceration  on his leg that still hasnt healed fully and itches all the time.

The overall situation in our house is that dogs can handle the spot on better than the cats now because of no spot on on the dog at all I also have to treat the cats.

I also cannot fathom having to leave one of our pets locked up for 10 days let alone 6 mos in some disease ridden county animal facility. Im just glad Im not in an area that requires it annually.

Its fine to have an opinion about shots and spot on treatments. I have the same feelings as you and have managed to avoid using spot ons for the past 10 yrs but have always vaccinated against rabies because we have always had raccoons and coyote in our yards in Brecksville and Richfield OH.
When I lived in Utah I never did rabies on cats, there are no raccoons or fleas and tics were not a problem where I lived.

I would never tell someone not to do something based on where I live, they need to make a decision based on their surroundings. Going without shots and spot on is fine if it can be avoided but its not right for everyone. Its likely only wise for a few.
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2010, 09:46:39 AM »
Forky, the Lone Star tick can transmit Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Erlichiosis, and Southern Tick-Associated Rash Illness (STARI).  Sounds like your husband had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 12:27:22 PM »
Since we are in NC now they figured it was STARI. I didnt find out until later that the CDC was interested in the removed ticks. I had kept it for a long time seems like right after I threw it out I found the info on CDC.

Im just glad that dog ticks rarely bite humans and that we dont have deer ticks in our house.

Something else I remembered. I removed the tic and it hadnt been on him very long but he still got infected.
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 08:29:12 PM »
forkyfork- please quote me where I said "do not vaccinate your dogs and cats for rabies" because I'm pretty sure I was NOT even *implying* that. What I WAS trying to educate those who are unfamiliar with the protocol about was that if your dog or cat bites someone they don't whisk them off to AC and euthanize them in the chance they may have rabies. We've come out of the Barbarian Age in the year 2010.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2010, 07:27:28 PM »
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Only-Natural-Pet-Herbal-Defense-Shampoo-Conditioner/999035.1.aspx
They make a whole line of stuff includeing sprays...
On the vaccine order, Rabies in a house dog unless required by state are usless. My biggest vaccines are...Distemper and Parvo...HUGE KILLERS in dogs. Cats feline luekimia, distemper. My cats are house cats. But we do have strays that wander around out yard and if I let my cat out on a lead I want them protected from something potential fatal. Fleas, ticks, and moquitoes...bye bye with the link above. I have used it on myself and being in WI have maybe had two mosquitoe bites all year, no ticks. Shaz
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2010, 10:48:10 PM »
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Only-Natural-Pet-Herbal-Defense-Shampoo-Conditioner/999035.1.aspx
They make a whole line of stuff includeing sprays...
 I have used it on myself and being in WI have maybe had two mosquitoe bites all year, no ticks. Shaz

oOo I might try that! Does it smell weird o.O  :yelcutelaugh:
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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 01:51:17 PM »
acctually no it smells very nice. Shaz
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