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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2005, 01:10:12 PM »
My aunt gives me her cast off parrot toys - her birds are super spoiled, and they have HIGH standards as to what toys they'll play with!   :yelcutelaugh:

Anyway, after a week or so of soaking up rat pee, they stink so bad, I have to take them out of the cages.  I think I can dishwasher them, Drew says "Not on your life."  So, I may have to wait until he's sleeping to try it :)  But, I personally wouldn't use any unsealed wooden object in the rat cage - which kind of negates the "pine shavings versus pine wood" debate for me :)
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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2005, 04:21:19 PM »
By the way, I noticed that the link to the "Ask the Pet Doctor: Kevin Wright of the Phoenix Zoo Will Answer" published in the Arizona Public actually says that there are no scientific studies that show pine and cedar cause illness in rats and mice.

However, Debbie D's article on her web site lists scientific studies published in scholarly journals that cite the detrimental effects of pine and cedar phenols on the respitory systems of not only rats and mice, but humans as well!

I e-mailed the Zoo's address about the information from Kevin Wright and sent them the Debbie D link with the cited studies.  Maybe some of you could too so that the message actually gets across.  I just hate to think thousands of people read in the newspaper that pine was okay!

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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2005, 05:17:31 PM »
All right.  Someone is full of rat raisins here.   Who is it?

Number one:   http://www.phoenixzoo.org/zoo/animals/kevinscolumn/november23.asp

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Number two:  http://www.carefresh.ca/endorse/afrma.html


And what I really want to know is,  do I need to replace the balconies for my girls with something other than pine?

I'd have to say Kevin doesn't know what he's talking about.

As for solid pine objects, if they're untreated, I'd probably try them out and see what happens.

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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2005, 05:41:06 PM »
is there a difference between waterbased polyurethane and acrylic polyurethane?

it says "child safe" on the label, but is it (acrylic poly.) rat safe?

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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2005, 06:17:46 PM »
Oh my goodness no! LOL! Empty boxes... always empty.

I have the most productive nose in New York State... I go through tissues like crazy!

Mine also have a steady supply. I have to make sure that I turn over the kleenex when they are out. Sometimes they'll pull out several at a time, but sometimes they'll get inside the box. Once it fell off the nightstand and landed face down with one trapped inside. Hahaha. That was hilarious.
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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2005, 08:52:50 PM »
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Do you actually give them full boxes of Kleenex? I know mine would like it since I have to hide the kleenex during playtime. It seems like it would be such a mess.  I just give them 4-5 paper towels a day.

ah...I give my rats boxes of kleenex ( full ) for gifts such as Christmas or birthdays...they have such a blast unloading it and happily hopping off to build their uber- nests.... :BlueDumboSmile: and it's great fun to watch.
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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2005, 07:59:52 AM »
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Do you actually give them full boxes of Kleenex? I know mine would like it since I have to hide the kleenex during playtime. It seems like it would be such a mess.  I just give them 4-5 paper towels a day.

ah...I give my rats boxes of kleenex ( full ) for gifts such as Christmas or birthdays...they have such a blast unloading it and happily hopping off to build their uber- nests.... :BlueDumboSmile: and it's great fun to watch.

Yes, it's hilarious to watch them with either the paper towels or the tissues. I can't give Mischief tissues anymore, however, because she runs to a corner, wads the tissue up like she's going to blow her own nose, then proceeds to eat it like it's some kind of delicacy. She'll rip of a tiny piece, chew, swallow, then rip off another. Very dainty-like.

Silly girl!   ::)
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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2005, 11:10:14 AM »
Yeah, my boys had started eating them, too... no more tissues after I discovered that.

Re: polyurethane... as long as it says child-safe, it's cool. Acrylic is water-based. ;)

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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2005, 11:27:17 AM »
I've had rats run off with USED kleenex. And start eating it. EEEEEEWWWWW! I have to really get on my kids to put kleenex in the trash immediately.
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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2005, 11:32:41 AM »
I've had rats run off with USED kleenex. And start eating it. EEEEEEWWWWW! I have to really get on my kids to put kleenex in the trash immediately.

Mine just stash it under my pillow ::) Of course, they take it right OUT of the trash!

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Re: Pine ebay items - would you email the seller?
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2005, 07:53:39 PM »
Another great product to use to seal your wooden stuff is shellec. It's actually edible and is most often used for cutting boards. Just make sure you use the clear stuff.
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