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Flea meds/repellent....
« on: October 24, 2009, 06:08:31 PM »
We are moving into a house with a big backyard, so little Sammy will get to have lots of outside-run time! Both neighbors have dogs right through the other side of the fence. The chainlink has the green sheets through them, so the dogs can't touch. BUT...I am worried about fleas now. In our current house, Sam is an "inside" dog...only goes outside to potty. He goes to my parent's house to run around their fenced yard a few times a month, but their house is secluded, so I wasn't worried about fleas.

I just worry now that Sam will get fleas through the fence from the neighbor dogs. I don't want to use chemicals, so can anyone recommend natural flea repellent?

Sam also isn't on any heart worm meds. He's inside all of the time and AZ really has no mosquitoes...I've honestly never seen them since I've lived here (4 years). Doesn't heartworm only come from mosquitoes, or am I mistaken....or can they get it from the dogs through the fence if they have it? I really don't want to use chemicals/unnecessary things on my dog, if I don't need to.

Any other diseases I should worry about with the other dogs being so close? Sam had all of his shots earlier this year...not sure if I will continue them, though. I was a tad pressured into getting him the last of his "puppy shots"...so I just did it.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2009, 08:13:39 PM »
Heartworms cannot be transmitted from dog to dog. I wouldn't use any type of stuff for fleas unless I actually noticed a problem. In that case I would spray the yard instead of putting stuff on my dogs. Don't assume all other dogs are diseased and flea infested until you actually see it with your own eyes. :)

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2009, 08:25:28 PM »
Heartworms cannot be transmitted from dog to dog. I wouldn't use any type of stuff for fleas unless I actually noticed a problem. In that case I would spray the yard instead of putting stuff on my dogs. Don't assume all other dogs are diseased and flea infested until you actually see it with your own eyes. :)

It just makes me nervous because I have inside cats, rabbits, and rats that I don't want getting fleas. I can't just wait until I see a flea...I don't want it to be too late and have 16 pets infested with fleas  :o.

What can I use to spray the yard? Is it really effective?


I just want to do whatever I can, so I don't have to deal with fleas & the expense along with it after 16 pets get them. I just don't want to use harsh chemicals on my pets.

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2009, 11:36:53 PM »
I went to Home Depot and the salesperson helped me pick the best and safest spray for the yard since I have 2 dogs. I think it was Orkin? Don't quote me on that. You can always talk to the salesperson at your location. Any hardware store type place that sells that stuff will have people that can help you. Our yard butts right up to a heavily wooded creek and we've had fleas like.. twice in 15 years. If you keep the grass cut and dead leaves raked up where fleas like to winter in you shouldn't have a problem. If you do happen to get fleas you can always treat with some DeFlea shampoo. It's safe for all animals of all ages. I've never had fleas on rats even when we had an infestation though.

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2009, 11:56:02 PM »
Thank you, Heather! I will see about getting stuff to spray the yard. I know that my chances of fleas may be rare, but I wanted to play it safe because I can't possibly bathe my rabbits (or even cats).

Our new place is all rock/pine needles/some shrubs & grasses. Living in AZ....grass is rare, so we have rock lawns  :yelcutelaugh:.

Does he Deflea stuff make a spray or a powder? We are moving into my MIL's house for 3 years because she is moving to WI. She is leaving her male cat behind for me to take care of for 3 years (real nice, huh?). He's about 3 years old and not even neutered yet (so I am getting that done ASAP) and she lets him outside  >:(. So, I want to make sure he is flea-free before letting my animals around him. I just hope he comes out free of leukemia/aids/whatever, gets along with my kitties, and adjusts to being inside-only.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »
Deflea does make a spray. :)

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 01:02:20 PM »
Thanks! I found the Deflea spray for kitties that I will use on my MIL's cat, just in case. We'll also flea killer stuff around the fence, for Sam.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 01:22:48 PM »
I disagree with Heather. Flea and tick prevention is very important. I recommend Frontline for dogs. We live in a wooded area that has a high occurance of fleas and ticks, and we've never had a flea outbreak. On top of that, any ticks I've ever found on my dog have been dead, unless the Frontline has worn off. Some people like K9 Advantix, but since we've had our dogs, we've always used Frontline, and so I can't speak for any other product.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 01:26:16 PM »
I don't want to use harsh chemicals on my pets.

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 01:47:15 PM »
That's your choice. However, I think your making a mistake. Prevention is key, and will save you loads of trouble in the long run. In addition, Frontline has been proven to be safe, and is recommended by most vets.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 01:54:36 PM »
I just don't want chemicals on my pets...I've heard of bad reactions from spot-on flea meds. I'd rather go an all natural way, so I am researching into that now.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 02:35:08 PM »
I refuse to put insecticidal poison on my pet's skin. If it's so safe then why is there warnings all over the package about getting it on your own skin? Sorry, I don't believe it's safe.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/health/flea-tick-control.html

FWIW, vets recommend all sorts of things that are not good for dogs and cats. Dentals under anesthesia every 6 mos, food like Royal Canin and Science Diet, tooth extraction as a "solution" to aggression, ear cropping, declawing, the list goes on and on. The most important thing I've learned (and have learned the hard way) is don't be a sheep- think for yourself and don't believe what you're told until you do your own in depth research from credible sources- not from people that are making big bucks from their suggestions. Follow the money.
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 06:26:24 PM »
The spot-on flea preventatives that you're hearing cause bad reactions are ones sold over the counter like Hartz Flea & Tick.  Those over-the-counter flea preventatives are very prone to causing major skin reactions.  Frontline is an extremely safe medication to use.  I'm a veterinary technician, and I would never recommend buying something that I thought could be unsafe for an animal.  Also, there are definitely some areas that are more prone to heartworm disease more than others.  I live in Illinois, near Chicago, and heartworm disease is VERY high here.  Yes, it is spread by bites from a mosquito, and cannot be passed from dog-to-dog without the mosquito.  I did some research just now, and it is being found that the risk of a dog contracting heartworm disease in Arizona is increasing each year as more and more people (and pets) are moving into the area.  Again, there are several very safe veterinary-prescribed medications that help prevent heartworm disease from being contracted.  HeartGard and Interceptor are two that I recommend.  It's much cheaper and safer to use those, than it would be to have to go through the process of treating a dog who ends up with heartworm disease.

Herbal or "natural" medications are often seen as being "safe" because they're not labeled as drugs.  However, everything that is applied or ingested on a pet has risks and can cause serious reactions.  In other words, *everything* has the potential of being a poison.

I personally would rather not take the risk and I keep my pets on flea preventative (Frontline Plus) and heartworm preventative (HeartGard).  I've had flea infestations and they are not fun to deal with, along with the diseases that fleas and ticks can carry and give to your pet.

Just my own two cents worth.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2010, 06:39:32 PM »
Thanks, Deb! This thread is a bit old, but I'll update....

We moved into my MIL's house in early December. Her cat got all of his shots and was neutered - also had no fleas. Come to find out, even though we have a big fenced in yard....little Sammy (our dog) doesn't care to play outside in it. Granted, it has been cold here...but even on nicer days he still doesn't care to be out there...even if we play fetch. The neighbor dogs will bark when Sammy is outside and sometimes Sam will run along the fence with them a few times before I call him inside, but I don't see them as a threat anymore. They are strictly "at home" dogs because our neighbors never take them anywhere.

I decided NOT to treat Sammy with any flea preventative and I also do not treat him for heartworms. Sam is inside all the time, unless he goes outside for 5 minutes to potty. He's just an inside dog, so I don't feel the need to give him preventative meds. If I am able to bring Sam to the dog grooming shop all day with me or plan to board him there when I go away (chances of that are slim...he will stay with the parents), then I may consider medicating him. I also do not give the cats flea preventative because they are inside only.

Some may disagree with me, but I feel that this is right for my dog for the time being  :).


On the side note, Deb...which areas in AZ are said to be finding more cases of heartworm? I'm just wondering because I have never seen a mosquito here in the 4.5 years I have been here. Maybe its areas with lakes or more up North?

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2010, 06:55:11 PM »
What Deb said....


Hartz is dangerous, absolutely agree. NEVER buy ANY OTC pest control product without talking to your vet. This includes shampoos, spray ons, and YARD TREATMENTS. Many of these can be dangerous to your pet, and its best to discuss it with your vet before using them.

Many of the "chemicals" and such that are in high quality preventatives (such as those recommended by vets - not all are necessarily SOLD by them, some CAN be bought OTC at other stores, such as Frontline and Advantix) are actually from natural sources. So it isn't some sort of factory produced poison...

Likewise, many "natural" things are potentially toxic and poisonous to our pets, even in small amounts. Just because it is natural, doesn't mean its SAFE.

On to heartworms: the treatment for heartworm infection involves injecting pets with high levels of poison. The idea is to get enough in to poison the heartworms, without killing the dog. Its VERY risky, VERY hard on them, and quite expensive! Preventative is relatively cheap, and very safe. Even in a low risk area, you are doing your dogs a favor by giving them preventative. The only significant risk in preventatives is if they are ALREADY heartworm positive - and if that is the case they need to be treated. This can be checked with a quick blood test during annual visits. It is very important that dogs be on preventative though. Its like parvo - its easily prevented, but hard, long, frusterating, and expensive to treat, and many animals end up dying from it. Being inside doesn't negate the risk - mosquitoes are tiny, its not hard for them to get in a house, it happens all the time. The only way to prevent it is with a preventative.

As far as vet making money...thats not ALL vets are about, and most are lucky to break even and have a bit to take a vacation, etc. They have vet school to pay off, clinics to pay for, staff to pay, insurance to pay, meds to buy, supplies to buy, equiptment to buy and maintain, continuing education classes that they are required to do....and thats just for work, then they have rent/mortgages, car payments, gas, food, kids school stuff, doctors bills, etc - just like the rest of us. Very few vets are really making big bucks - and those who are generally aren't the vets you see with your pet - they are the ones involved in big research projects, etc. Most vets are in this because they love animals, not because they expect to get rich. There are always exceptions though - some just want to get every dollar they can. If you honestly feel like your vet is just trying to raid your wallet, and force you to hand them money, I'd recommend finding a new vet that you feel is in it for the animals - your vet needs to be someone you feel you can trust, and who you can work with as a team, instead of feeling like they are someone you need to defend  yourself against. Educating yourself is good, but there is a reason they go to school for so long, and you should be able to use that to the advantage of your pets!

Just my opinions :)
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 06:57:42 PM »
Here's a map that shows the incidence of heartworm disease in Arizona back in 2007.  It has gotten more prevalent since then, and I'm trying to find a more current map.  There is a pocket in the northeast corner of the state that seems to have the lowest incidence of cases.  But there definitely is heartworm disease occurring in other parts of the state.  BTW, the cost to treat heartworm disease is approximately $600-800, versus the cost to prevent it which is about $75-$100 per year (depending on the size of the dog).
http://www.yourpetsbestfriend.com/.a/6a00d8341bfe0853ef01156f8a6824970c-800wi


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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 07:04:08 PM »
Here's another very good map that shows the incidence of several diseases carried by ticks, mosquitoes and fleas throughout the US.  If you click on your own state, it will show the incidence of it throughout the state:

http://www.petsandparasites.org/tickmaps/tickmaps.html

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 07:49:46 PM »
Like I said before...I have never seen a mosquito here. Money isn't the issue to me right now - I would gladly pay the $75 - $100 per year to treat my dog with preventative heartworm meds, but since I do not see him being a high risk, then I'd rather not put something into his body that I don't think he needs at this point in time. When we do end up moving back to the upper east coast, then I will definitely treat him because you always get bit by mosquitos out there.

Sorry, but that's what I feel about my own dog.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 07:53:49 PM »
No need to apologize.  I'm sure you love your pet.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2010, 01:23:37 PM »
It's not just the crap from Walmart. It's ALL brands. Read the entire list from that link.. They are all on there including the "safe" ones from the vet.

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2010, 01:32:20 PM »
Okay, so this may be a dumb question and might not even compare, but I just thought of it  :yelcutelaugh:....

How come we "need" to get our pets shots all of the time, but yet as humans...we don't get shots all of the time? I can't even remember the last time I got a shot.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »
It's not just the crap from Walmart. It's ALL brands. Read the entire list from that link.. They are all on there including the "safe" ones from the vet.

If you read the article, it says that they've listed ALL registered brands of spot-on flea and tick medication. It also goes on to say that they're not asking for a recall, and not all of them cause adverse reactions. In actuality, the amount of dogs who have adverse reactions to GOOD flea and tick medications (i.e. Frontline) is VERY small. Most of the reactions from Frontline are small such as skin irritation. Of course if your dog has a reaction it's best to stop using the product. Do you know what goes into the treatment of Lyme's Disease? I'm sorry, but I'd rather risk "mild skin irritation" than have my dog get sick because of MY negligence and then have him go through all types of painful treatments.


How come we "need" to get our pets shots all of the time, but yet as humans...we don't get shots all of the time? I can't even remember the last time I got a shot.

The reason that we need most vaccinations just once, and dogs need them more often is because some vaccinations don't last all that long of a time. There are some vaccines that we need to get more than once. For example, Tetanus. We need to get Tetanus shots every 10 years because the vaccine doesn't last longer than that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2010, 03:15:26 PM »
For the last hour or so, I have been reading on a number of sites that shots for canines can last 7 to 10 years.

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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2010, 03:54:38 PM »
For the last hour or so, I have been reading on a number of sites that shots for canines can last 7 to 10 years.

It can vary from breed to breed as well as the vaccination itself. Some people recommend doing titers instead. However, this is not always cost-effective or available.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2010, 11:02:49 PM »
I'm staying out of most of this- but would just like to point out that I spent a year working in Pheonix as a vet and saw several cases of heartworms- several got treated, but one dog was so advanced the worms set her body off destroying it's own platelets and red blood cells. By the time she was diagnosed, her disease was too far advanced and she was euthanized. Not worth the risk to me (I have an epileptic who is sensitive to some things and even she gets heartworm preventative/flea preventatives). You may not see many mosquitos but they are there. And being inside doesn't make your pet safe- during vet school, two of my classmates had indoor only pets (a cat and a ferret) die from heartworm disease. Definately your choice, but I would highly recommend at least heartworm preventative.
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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 12:12:47 PM »
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On the topic of shots, at least have ALL your pets (even if they're indoor) vaccinated for rabies. That is the main shot we always make sure our babies get whenever they're due. Our cats are strictly indoor, and both our dogs are very friendly and don't run away even when off leash, but if they ever were to escape and bite someone, we don't need to worry about our little ones being taken from us for rabies testing or being euthanized (under normal circumstances). It's not worth the risk to me, no matter how unlikely it is!
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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 08:55:43 PM »
My dog and 4 cats have their rabies shot. That is one shot that they have only because it is illegal not to and I also don't want the risks of them biting someone that would then put my pet's life in danger of euthanasia.

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 09:14:11 PM »
I figured i'd add my two cents :) I'm using "would" because i don't have my own dog...

Vacs- I would only do the core vacs for puppies, and any updated rabies. Other than that, the other vacs aren't that important.

Fleas/Ticks- I would do frontline. It's very safe, and has only a very small chance of reactions. I personally would never spray my yard for pests, because i don't like pesticides going into the ecosystem and potentially screwing stuff up. Not to mention most dogs enjoy eating grass and sniffing, so they are potentially consuming poison. I trust frontline more than yard sprays. A friend of mine had a dog with lymes and it was pretty bad. I never want to put my dogs at risk that i can prevent.

Heartworm- Totally. Heartworms are scary, expensive to treat, and many times lethal even with the best treatment. A liver-flavored pill once a month is like a treat for dogs, and ivermectin (i believe heartguard is mostly ivermectin) has a pretty wide margin of safety.

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 11:05:45 PM »
My dog and 4 cats have their rabies shot. That is one shot that they have only because it is illegal not to and I also don't want the risks of them biting someone that would then put my pet's life in danger of euthanasia.

The protocol is quarantine even for vaccinated animals. The only difference between vaccinating and not vaccinating is that if your cat/dog has a rabies vaccine you can qtine in home. If not vaccinated they qtine at the vet office. Both for 10 days with physical exams performed by a veterinarian every so many days.

On the topic of the safety of flea medications, I would like to see the results from a study done NOT by the companies producing said topical, as in a neutral third party that finds only mild skin irritation to be the prominent reaction.

DrachenDame, I DO know what goes into the treatment of Lyme Disease in canines. If the test comes back positive but the dog is asymptomatic then no treatment is recommended. If the dog is symptomatic, then the recommended treatment is doxycycline for 30 days if there is arthritic joint pain/swelling. If the dog is positive for proteinuria, the treatment ranges from dietary changes, addition of O-3 supplements, low dose aspirin, possible fluid therapy if needed.

Even with a topical on, your dog can still be bitten by a tick. It doesn't prevent your dog from being bitten, it just prevents an infestation of fleas and prevents a tick from engorging itself. And the lyme vaccine available is not even known to be effective or not, according to the top vaccine researchers.

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 11:14:31 PM »
Just an FYI -- it takes 24-48 hours for disease from the bacteria to be transmitted after the tick bites and attaches to an animal.  The flea/tick preventative kills the tick before that amount of time and the tick falls off.

As far as the rabies quarantine protocol, if an animal is current on their rabies vaccine, an exam is done on day 1 at the vet's office, and then they bring the animal back on day 10 for the second exam.  If the animal isn't current, then they stay at the vet's office for 10 days observation.

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2010, 11:56:01 PM »
heather- its fine if someone lives in an area that is free from fleas ticks rabid animals and mosquitos.

In NC 10 days is not correct so your info does not apply to every state, its  6 mos QT in a facility not at home. I had the same discussion with a couple of vet techs from SC and FL and NC is more lenient as they only require 3yr interval.

With the number of rabid animal reports its not worth the chance.  When I lived in Ohio near Akron there was a rabid coyote in one of the areas of walking paths in the parks that was attacking dogs. This was not a rural area, there are coyotes all over including several that live off one of the international airport runways.
Why would you suggest someone risk their animals health/life based on knowledge of where you live.

Just yesterday I picked a dog tic off my shirt near my shoulder. Around christmas I lint rollered one out of the couch that no one sits on in the front room.
A few months ago I picked 15 tics off my dog that was outside for less than 5 minutes. We know she had gone to the edge of the yard.

Unfortunately she wasnt treated with any spot on because I didnt see any reason to and now it appears we have them in the house. Stooopid me thinking that because we hadnt seen any since keeping her from the edge of the yard we wouldnt have a problem so I didnt continue treatment after the single application after taking the 15 tics off of her.

NOW  >:( I not only have to treat the dog and 4 cats but it looks like I may have to use pesticides IN the house. Something I am not happy about since we have a bird.

We live on a lake that supplies water to the city. Treating the yard is not responsible considering where we live and considering the number of dogs running around treating just our acre is pointless.

Lyme disease is not the only thing to worry about. There is another strain (cant remember the name), hubby got it from a lone star tic it made him very sick for weeks and left an ulceration  on his leg that still hasnt healed fully and itches all the time.

The overall situation in our house is that dogs can handle the spot on better than the cats now because of no spot on on the dog at all I also have to treat the cats.

I also cannot fathom having to leave one of our pets locked up for 10 days let alone 6 mos in some disease ridden county animal facility. Im just glad Im not in an area that requires it annually.

Its fine to have an opinion about shots and spot on treatments. I have the same feelings as you and have managed to avoid using spot ons for the past 10 yrs but have always vaccinated against rabies because we have always had raccoons and coyote in our yards in Brecksville and Richfield OH.
When I lived in Utah I never did rabies on cats, there are no raccoons or fleas and tics were not a problem where I lived.

I would never tell someone not to do something based on where I live, they need to make a decision based on their surroundings. Going without shots and spot on is fine if it can be avoided but its not right for everyone. Its likely only wise for a few.
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2010, 09:46:39 AM »
Forky, the Lone Star tick can transmit Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Erlichiosis, and Southern Tick-Associated Rash Illness (STARI).  Sounds like your husband had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 12:27:22 PM »
Since we are in NC now they figured it was STARI. I didnt find out until later that the CDC was interested in the removed ticks. I had kept it for a long time seems like right after I threw it out I found the info on CDC.

Im just glad that dog ticks rarely bite humans and that we dont have deer ticks in our house.

Something else I remembered. I removed the tic and it hadnt been on him very long but he still got infected.
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 08:29:12 PM »
forkyfork- please quote me where I said "do not vaccinate your dogs and cats for rabies" because I'm pretty sure I was NOT even *implying* that. What I WAS trying to educate those who are unfamiliar with the protocol about was that if your dog or cat bites someone they don't whisk them off to AC and euthanize them in the chance they may have rabies. We've come out of the Barbarian Age in the year 2010.

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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2010, 07:27:28 PM »
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Only-Natural-Pet-Herbal-Defense-Shampoo-Conditioner/999035.1.aspx
They make a whole line of stuff includeing sprays...
On the vaccine order, Rabies in a house dog unless required by state are usless. My biggest vaccines are...Distemper and Parvo...HUGE KILLERS in dogs. Cats feline luekimia, distemper. My cats are house cats. But we do have strays that wander around out yard and if I let my cat out on a lead I want them protected from something potential fatal. Fleas, ticks, and moquitoes...bye bye with the link above. I have used it on myself and being in WI have maybe had two mosquitoe bites all year, no ticks. Shaz
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Re: Flea meds/repellent....
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2010, 10:48:10 PM »
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Only-Natural-Pet-Herbal-Defense-Shampoo-Conditioner/999035.1.aspx
They make a whole line of stuff includeing sprays...
 I have used it on myself and being in WI have maybe had two mosquitoe bites all year, no ticks. Shaz

oOo I might try that! Does it smell weird o.O  :yelcutelaugh:
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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 01:51:17 PM »
acctually no it smells very nice. Shaz
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