Author Topic: Meaty bones?  (Read 180 times)

Offline SSTFLFPS

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 900
  • The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs...
Meaty bones?
« on: February 01, 2012, 01:13:30 AM »
I want to start getting the pups weekly meaty bones as both a treat and an extra dental care measure (they get their teeth brushed regularly), but I've read that certain bones are too hard and can actually break teeth.  I have a wonderful butcher about three blocks from my house so obtaining them shouldn't be too hard.  What exactly should I ask him to get for me?

Offline RattiesSix

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 6839
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 09:11:17 PM »
All your dogs are small, right?

What I do with Avery is small bones (Chicken wings, chicken drumsticks, short ribs, chicken or porn necks, rabbit, quail) or bones that are TOO large for her to want to try to eat (Think big honkin' soup bones.). What she does with the soup bones is chew the soft ends off, and then she scrapes the meat off with her front teeth. Then we just toss the soup bones when they're done.

She is about 15 pounds at last weight in, but she's stocky, so she's not actually that LARGE. Also a bit overweight due to steroids. And she's a dachshund/boston terrier mix. Just to give you an idea.

I found when she was young, she was way too spazzy to sit still and worry bones for long, she wanted to scarf them. So I never gave her bones small enough to swallow. Also turkey drumsticks were hit or miss. Sometimes she ate them, sometimes she just ate the meat off.  ::)

Offline SSTFLFPS

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 900
  • The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs...
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 10:28:41 PM »
Yup, all under 15lbs.  The ones I want to get the bones for are my Pom/Chi/JRT mixes.  I'll look into the pork necks and the rabbit.  I'm too scared of uncooked chicken.  Do you know if quail has the same salmonella risks?  Or that teeny, tiny, needlelike bone that you find on chicken drumsticks?  There is a shortage this year, but next year hopefully it will be plentiful again.  The other readily available bones would be beef, venison, elk, duck, and javelina.  Are any of these good fits?

Offline RattiesSix

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 6839
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »
Honestly, most raw feeders use chicken as the bulk of their diet. Dogs don't run the same risks as people. I know quite a few raw feeders and all of them feed a large amount of chicken, because it's easily accessible (You can buy whole chickens, organs, pieces, etc.) at any store.

Be careful giving large amounts of pork, as it's VERY rich. And most dogs get loose poop when it's fed often, and some dogs get loose poop when it's fed at all.

I suggest starting with a mild meat and going from there. I usually recommend chicken, because it's bland and I start Avery on it right away and she had no loose or hard poops at all. Then start adding other meats a bit at a time, that way you can be positive of which type is causing gas or loose movements if they have any.

I feed beef, venison, and I've fed duck. Duck is pretty fatty and rich, so you'll want to be sparing with it, too. Javelina would be similar to pork? So same as above. You CAN feed beef, venison, and elk. But there's not many bones you'd be able to use.

I feed partial raw, and Avery's diet is about 65-70% chicken most of the time (This is where I get my bone in, because there's less options for small dogs), and then during hunting season, she has quite a bit more venison and turkey. The only thing I've found that she won't touch is guinea pig. And she refuses to eat chicks with fur unless it's been hanging out hidden in a bush all day.  :confused: Never feeding those where she can hide them again.  :yelcutelaugh:

If you check out the raw feeding threads, there are lots of groups you could check out to alleviate some of your worries when it comes to bacteria and such. I've never had any pointy bone issues with chicken or quail, and I've fed cornish hens cut into quarters, as well. No issues.

The only problem I've run into is Avery is a gulper when she gets small enough pieces. And she'll swallow them, then regurgitate to chew.  ::) But she's a protective eater and she thinks everything from me to the kitchen chairs are going to steal her food.  :yelcutelaugh:

Offline SSTFLFPS

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 900
  • The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs...
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 11:51:53 PM »
I know.  My worry wart self just can't get past it.  I'm actually not doing this as a diet change.  They will continue on their current diet with the possible switch to commercial raw instead of canned.  Right now, I am solely interested in the bone part.  I brush their teeth regularly, but want to bones to their dental higene regimen may be once a week.  Basically, a treat with some fringe benefits.

Offline applecavy

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
  • Think adoption first! :3
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 11:43:55 AM »
I don't feed raw, so I can't offer advice about any of that (just reading out of curiosity) but yes, quail would probably run the same risk of transferring salmonella (to humans) as chicken. I'm pretty sure turkey would also. It is poultry in general.

I guess duck as well. hm.

Offline RattiesSix

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 6839
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 04:03:49 PM »
I would assume that all poultry would offer the same salmonella risks. Here's a bit about dogs and salmonella: http://rawfed.com/myths/bacteria.html

Unfortunately, that takes away 90% of your safe options for bones. Your dogs might not like rabbit very much (I have to pan seer Avery's for some reason) but some of those bones can be used. Most larger animals bones are going to be a bit too big for dogs that small. You can try short ribs. Sometimes the rib tips are soft enough for Avery to eat. And she'll worry larger bones for awhile. But most of the benefits come from biting into and working through bones.

You can try porn necks, they can be a bit softer. Avery will eat through them sometimes. But you'll definitely not want to start them on pork. I had to go slow with Avery or it gave her loose poop something fierce.  :confused:

Offline Tamara

  • Posts Too Much!
  • *****
  • Posts: 555
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 09:57:26 PM »
One of the very best things as far as teeth goes and a nice size for your dogs would be chicken necks.  It's too bad you don't feel comfortable with poultry.  There is actually not a huge amount of bone in the necks but a lot of tendons, etc. which is great for their teeth.

Offline htsr4

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 479
Re: Meaty bones?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 01:40:33 PM »
My 15 pound dog chews right through deer ribs. I think pork ribs are edible too as well as necks and tails from larger animals.