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My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« on: February 19, 2012, 11:48:07 AM »
Just in case some of you didn't see the thread, I have a GSD/Belgian Malinois mix that's about 14 months old. He's a wonderful dog except in a couple areas. The one I need advice for today is his eating habits.

He is a PIG. I feed him TOTW the High Prarie kind(the only one available at my mom'n'pop pet supply), and I actually feed an extra cup a day than what the bag recommends as an attempt to stifle his insane appetite. He still tries to eat everything, even things that aren't supposed to be edible. Vet said no worms, so what on earth is going on with him? It's a real problem when we have dinner in my house, we HAVE to sit at our table(which, bleh, who does that? The couch and TV is where it's at!  :yelcutelaugh: ) or else he will grab food right out of our hands!

So, any input on why he acts like a starving stray dog?

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Re: My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 12:17:30 PM »
I have no idea if this could be related to your dog, but could it be a form of anxiety? My hound/pit mix, when he gets anxious or frustrated about something, eats EVERYTHING. We call him "Chompers" because he literally cannot keep his mouth off of both edible and nonedible things. If I try to eat something, he'll lunge at me the entire time, trying to grab whatever I have.

The only things that we have found that have helped at all are: consistently offering rawhides/heavy duty chews whenever he starts to eat something he shouldn't, extra walks/playtime, and we also bought a "Thundershirt" which has helped a little so far. As far as the "trying to take food while we eat" thing, we use the command "off" and firmly shove him away. If he continues to lunge, he gets a 5-10 second time out... over and over. It was a pain in the ass when we started, but it's actually helped!

But, once again, not sure if it has any relation to why your boy is eating everything in sight, but I doubt its actually hunger. How often does he get exercise (not just a walk - actual, tiring exercise like running or training where he has to "wait" a lot)? Are you feeding him once a day or splitting it up? We have to feed my hound/pit four times a day (he gets four cups a day), though that's partially due to his sensitive stomach.

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Re: My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 12:37:36 PM »
Diver is like that... he gets 2+ cups twice a day, daily of TOTW (evening and night) plenty of run around time, and treats, and he still wants to eat everything. Lots of leave it commands, and incredible amounts of praise help but not to the extent that we need. 
Good luck, and if you find something that works, let me know.
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Re: My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 01:20:55 PM »
OW. Right after I posted this I took Cyrus out for a jog and he decided to lunge after a friggin STICK in the road and tore my finger out of socket(from me holding the leash). Ow. Ow. Ow. And I have to work later in a restaurant.  :'(

He has just been SO wound up! He is fixed so I assume we can rule hormones out? But goddang I am having trouble keeping my patience with him.

I can possibly see all of this being anxiety related. Maybe his way of expressing separation anxiety from my boyfriend being at work?

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Re: My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 01:28:21 PM »
It may be. My dog gets worse whenever I leave (he also lunges at things like sticks.. leaves.. etc :doh:). I'm "his" person. He is also fixed, so it's not hormones for him, either!

How does he acts when he gets "chewy" (:yelcutelaugh:)? Does he move a lot? Does he actually eat everything he touches or does he just shred/destroy? Does this behavior happen when your boyfriend is home or normally when he isn't?

If it is separation anxiety, I would work to nip that in the bud ASAP. You can try having your boyfriend leave for a minute, come back in, leave again.. and gradually extend the time that he's gone. That can help teach him that your boyfriend will be back any minute and there's no reason to get upset.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 03:23:43 PM »
First question, is how long are the walks?  Pulling and lunging can be signs of poor leash manners, but more often then not they are symptoms of an underworked and therefore frustrated and easily excitable dog.  A GSD/Beligian Malinois would be high on the needs something constructive to do list.

Next, sit and leave it are your friends.  Teaching him what to do when you're eating is much more effective than teaching him what not to do.  Keep treats by your side and reward him for sitting and ignoring you and your food while you ignore inappropriate behavior.  It takes time and consistency, but it works.  A friend of mine was recently astounded when we went to Sonic and S sat in my lap while I ate without once trying to get at or take my food.

Last, he's 14 months old.  He's right in the middle of his energetic boundary pushing phase.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 04:33:54 PM »
Lots of possible reasons why, including that he's a growing boy!  The feeding suggestions on the bag are just that -- suggestions.  An active teenager may need considerably more, so I'd keep on eye on his weight.  And definitely feed at least twice a day, if you aren't already.  FWIW, my dog (also a GSD-ish mix) has always eaten considerably more than the bags recommend, and is just now, at three, beginning to seem like she might have finished filling out.

Some of it really is age appropriate -- teenagers can just be jerks.  But it's also important to get him on a better track, so here goes with some suggestions.

First, as always, prevent opportunities to rehearse unwanted behaviors.  Don't let him have access to edibles (or non-edible edibles), don't let him grab food from your hands, and so on.  Control his access until you have taught him to exercise self-control, and be aware that this may be a long process.  In other words: crate crate crate crate crate!

Second, help him satisfy his urge to forage.  Make him work for his kibble, and enjoy the fact that this is an easy way to provide extra mental stimulation for your dog.  Use toys that dispense food (we love our Buster Cube, but there are dozens of options out there), or feed all his meals in Kongs.  Or take his food bowl, add just enough water/broth to make things soft, and freeze it.  Or throw his food all over the floor.  Or feed all his meals by hand, as training treats (more on this in a minute).  Be aware when you start out that he probably has very little frustration tolerance right now -- don't make a puzzle too difficult yet, because he'll most likely just give up (one reason people say their dog "just doesn't like Kongs" is that they never taught the dog the value of persistence).

Third, teach him to exercise self-control around food.  There are a million ways to help with this, but there is just one that is my favorite place to start: Doggy Zen.  All thanks and credit to Leslie McDevitt, whose book Control Unleashed outlines this much better.  It's a great game.

Start with a treat (or piece of kibble).  Show it to your dog, and then close your fist around it.  Your dog does not get the treat if he paws/slobbers/shoves/barks or otherwise acts pushy toward the treat hand.  He does get the treat if he re-directs his attention toward your face, if he adopts a control position (a sit or down), and if he is calm.  When you give him the treat, make sure you open your hand and move the treat directly to his mouth -- no opening the hand and then letting him lunge forward and grab it, since that would be counterproductive!

At first, you might need to reward really tiny gestures in the right direction.  I think the first time I played with my dog, I rewarded her for one single eye-flick away from the hand and toward my face, even though it was just a microsecond, because that's all she could manage.  But you start small and then gradually build, always rewarding average-or-better behaviors (when he regresses, which he will, wait him out).  Eventually, you want to be able to pull out a treat (or a sandwich, or a plate of hot dogs for dinner) and have your dog automatically exercise self-control -- sit or lie down, focus his attention on you, and remain calm.

You never say a word, unless you want to mark good behaviors (feel free to say "yes!" when he does something right, or "good boy!" as you hand him the treat).  No "off, leave it, no, bad dog, uh uh, sit, down, argh" sorts of things.  The idea is that this behavior is cued by the presence of food, not by a specific "command" that you give your dog.  It means your dog is going to have to do a lot of thinking, but this is also good.  First, because who doesn't want a thoughtful dog, and second, because thinking is hard for teenagers and helps to wear them out :wink5:

It's a long process, because you aren't teaching him "obedience."  You're teaching him manners, and self-control, and frustration tolerance, and all those other really important life skills.  The great thing is that those skills are the foundation for all kinds of things in the future -- this particular game becomes a way to teach "leave it," for instance, or a wait-for-release around food.  So it's worth doing, even if it takes a while. I hand-fed literally every meal to my dog, in this and other training games, for at least six months after we adopted her...it pays off.  And as I said, the bonus with using meals like this, especially if you have a smart and active sort of dog, is that it provides mental stimulation as well as a training foundation.  To this day, I feel like handing my dog a bowl full of food is a terrible waste of opportunity :yelcutelaugh:

Good luck, and I hope your finger heals soon!

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Re: My. Dog. Eats. EVERYTHING.
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 02:35:42 AM »
Wonderfully detailed advice, slynx! Thanks a ton! :)

I do feel the need to brag that Cyrus does automatically sit when he wants something, but if he really wants it he'll sit, look at you, and go for it. So more manners training is in order! Thank you all for awesome advice.  :D