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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2012, 11:59:50 AM »
Thats the other thing I was trying to find out, what the odor was. If its just strong ammonia its likely because she is nervous and not drinking enough. Sometimes moving the water to the hiding place can help, if you do that and it makes a difference then you have your answer.

Ive fostered lots of cats and worked at the humane society cleaning cages for years. Some cats have a stronger ammonia odor. I prefer that to the horrible musk scent of my boy and one of my females. There is no getting rid of that odor it stays in the plastic of the litterbox.  :P  The litter robot really helps though.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2012, 01:48:55 PM »
No...it's just ammonia.  She's drinking like a champ, too!  I really think it might be the higher protein food and maybe the breed.  Don't worry, she'll have a full panel done again as soon as it's a viable option. 

I do have a socialization question (and I'll probably talk to her foster mom again, today, though it sounds like things are pretty normal for her now):

Anyone have opinions on how much I should do kind of (and I just mean kind of) forced socialization?  (Sorry if TMI) basically she hides under the covers that reach the floor at the end of my bed.  I KNOW she comes out some, as I've seen her out and also the fur on the bed.  But not much.  Food and water, pooping and peeing have been gangbusters.

I was told she does this and not to panic, but when she's "had enough" of something, she growls, hisses, and swats without claws.  Um...two weeks and that's still par for the course!  But I personally feel she needs to get to know that I'm REALLY NOT a bad person, so I now and then lift up the covers, even if she swats and hisses at me some, and just tell her how beautiful she is, whatever...you know.  Gentle talk.  She does usually stop.

I don't want to terrorize her, but feel like she needs to see me a bit...even if just now and then, so she can figure out that I'm NOT going to hurt her.

Opinions welcome!

- Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2012, 03:25:44 PM »
I personally don't think showing yourself to her more is going to do any harm. She does have to adjust eventually. Maybe spend more time in there on the floor with a laser light, or put treats right around her hiding place so she kind of realizes you're not evil. I've never had a problem with cats not socializing so I can't really speak from experience though.
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2012, 04:14:48 PM »
Yeah, it's a tricky one.  Her mom said not to worry too much but not to push it too much.  I might talk to her again this weekend.

I just tried to lift the covers and use the cat fishing toy she can't resist and she was not happy about it.

Hopefully even if I'm scary now, she will figure out I'm not going to hurt her.

My vet is sort of a cat behavioral specialist, and I hate to bug her for another week or two (they actually wrote a book on it) but I might offer to pay for some "kitty therapy" advice if no more progress in a week or two.

I still kind of worry that it's because I'm a fella.  Time will tell.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2012, 04:38:32 PM »
Too late to modify, but some have asked for photos.  Um...not yet!

If you click on this video (not terribly accurate) let's just say my girl looks a LOT like the brown tabby who is at the beginning.  She's got more defined classic tabby swirls on her sides, but pretty close in eye color and fur length, general color:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbmryE1HJ58

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2012, 09:01:54 PM »
Why not try sitting somewhere in that room, and read a book to her.  It sounds silly, but if you're not focused on her, she may perceive you as less of a threat.  So, sit, ignore and read aloud, so she hears your voice.  And keep trying with the fishing toy.  ;)

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2012, 09:21:25 PM »
Why not try sitting somewhere in that room, and read a book to her.  It sounds silly, but if you're not focused on her, she may perceive you as less of a threat.  So, sit, ignore and read aloud, so she hears your voice.  And keep trying with the fishing toy.  ;)

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She needs her cave and to feel safe in it so when you lift it she sees it as a threat. Staring in her eyes is another threat.

Cats go to a strange place when they are scared and can become defensive which is often mistaken for aggression. Getting them to change can take some work.

Ive had good results just leaning against a wall and flopping a toy on a string around within reach. The prey drive kicks and they forget you are there.

My husband and I like to watch the guy from My Cat from Hell on animal planet. They have full episodes on their website. 90% of the cats are just scared and he shows how to help the cat not to be so scared. http://animal.discovery.com/tv-shows/my-cat-from-hell/videos

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2012, 10:26:59 PM »
ETA- I looked over the videos on the animal planet website. Even though they are listed as full length they definitely not full length. Argh even after being blasted with ads the video bits are interesting but the full episodes are more informative. My favorite is the woman using what I think is Riki on the cat and the cat liking to watch her give treatments. The cats name is Pump.

You can get them from amazon but they cost a couple bucks.  :-\

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2012, 11:43:33 PM »
I talked to foster mom again tonight. 

She says that her progress so far is up to par with what to expect.  My main question (no pun intended) was how much to push socialization.

She said not at all.  Naps in there, part of the night in there, all good.  Yeah, she doesn't think my body mannerisms or voice tone will be a problem.  Let her do her thing.  She said to just basically totally ignore her (well, within reason) and just be around and ignore the (lovely I might add) growls and hisses and whatever.

She DID say that she's a total fiend for catnip.  I have some locally grown catnip that is kind of REALLY super!  Suggested at first putting it on a plate (as she eats it) right by her hiding spot...then...rubbing it on my hands too (but not for a while).  She really got the kitty out of her shell and thinks it's going okay.  It did take a long time, though.

I'm glad that foster mommy had good advice.  I know I'm just a worried daddy.

Catnip starts tonight.  Reading out loud during some resting times, just talking and stuff and IGNORING her hisses, growls, etc., immediately. 

Thanks!

- Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2012, 01:12:36 AM »
OMFG-d!  No kidding.  I'm so excited.  Sophie was on TOP of my bed, not hiding under the covers...which I know she's done from the fur...but never when I come in.  She did hiss at me (par for the course) but did NOT run away and hide!

I just said hi for a moment and gave her some of my "special formula" catnip.

It was SO good to see her...and not hiding.  I can hardly wait until I can get some pics up.  But this is the first time she didn't run to hide, even if still pissy.  Mom said she'd start coming around, and she is!

 :wav:  - Raaz.

Modify:  I was SO excited, that I was out of my mind when I wrote that, hope it makes sense.  Fainting runs in the family and I really thought I was going to as I wrote it!  You go Sophie!
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2012, 08:19:39 AM »
Yeah Sophie! How did you administer the catnip and how did she react? Was she a mean drunk?  :cheeky:
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2012, 08:38:35 AM »
Foster mom said to just put some on a plate for a while, then start rubbing it on my hands, too...but not until she's out more.

I just left the plate in the bedroom...I sure heard her having a good time.  Since she was out, I just did the couch for the night.  Yeah, I know, my last grrly LOVED catnip but then would totally jump on her brother!  (Mean drunk!)  But then two minutes later she'd just roll around on the floor and fall asleep.   ::)

Oh, I couldn't even find the plate this morning (it was a lightweight plastic saucer...don't worry, I usually use ceramic or glass and clean it well).  She was back in hiding and hissed once, but that's and improvement!

I'm glad she's a Maine Coon because with keeping the door shut, it's on the mild side of chilly in there!

 Big  ;D.  This grrly will come along.  She really needs that good forever home.  We all do.

- Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2012, 08:57:03 AM »
Hooray Sophie!!  She's coming along!

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2012, 10:44:18 AM »
So good to hear!!!  :thumbsup2:
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2012, 12:15:49 PM »
I know I heard her romping in there last night (um...after the catnip) and today...I'd gotten a lot of pretty irresistible toys for her (threw out the old ones except one to remember my kitties by) and just left them on the bed.  It looks like she got busy with them...like all most all of them! 

In hiding again, but no hissing or swatting when I come in...I'll win her over.   :wink5:

PS: more catnip methinks!  (I was so embarrassed that I forgot about that!)  The locally grown and packaged stuff (by adults with disabilities who love cats) I'm sure is REALLY the "good stuff!"

If she comes out for it when I'm in the room, I might even try the lazer pointer or her favorite cat fishing toy.  This kitty needs recreation!

 ;D - Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2012, 12:51:24 AM »
Oh, more of her!  She almost stayed on the bed long enough to let me snap a pic, but hid before I could get there.  Pics coming sometime.  That's still amazing progress from her.  Foster mom was so glad to hear it yesterday morning!

 (She ALMOST let me sit near her, but it was just a bit too much...didn't run away though).

- Raaz.

Modify:  Oh, a funny...my Grandma is 94 and I talk to her a LOT.  Yesterday I was just so overjoyed about kitty playing with toys...and told her about the catnip.  Okay, Gma has NEVER drank more than half a beer or done drugs.  She was worried that I shouldn't give it to her or she'll expect it every day!  She's been playing (if when I'm not around) and likes the stuff.  Kitty can have catnip every day if she wants!  (Well...it's legal!)   ::)
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2012, 10:44:24 AM »
Hey, if your annoyed by too much rambling about Sophie, don't partake!

I just admit that first I was a terribly worried kitty daddy, and now I am so happy for her.

More and more of sophie, though not playing with me quite yet.  No more swatting (or not much) and almost no hissing.  No growls.  (She really does in a certain way have a really cute growl, though).

I'm just so happy for her.  She needs that good forever home.

I'm a massive kitty person through and through and I can't help but being more than thrilled!

 :wav: - Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2012, 11:01:00 AM »
I'm glad to see her doing better!  Sounds like she's starting to figure out that you're not all that scary.  ;)

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2012, 06:49:18 PM »
Oh my heart could just melt!  Seeing her almost all of the time, now...though after a short conversation she tends to go to her hiding spot.  I'm just coming in more now and not saying much.

 :heart: - Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2012, 08:15:09 PM »
Yippee! You've been graced with her eminence's presence!
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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2012, 08:35:57 PM »
Everytime I go in now she accepts me, if only for a while.  She's playing when I'm out.  I just want this girl to have a good life.

 ;D - Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2012, 08:51:41 PM »
Sounds like she's on her way!  :)

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2012, 09:01:56 PM »
Oh, she's not even hissing at me now (provided I don't get too close).  But I can stand and talk to her and while looking a bit annoyed, she does a bit a kitty "smiling."  I'm so sorry to blow up the thread...I'm just completely overjoyed.

Couldn't get the "WAVE" thing to come on, but that's what I'm feeling. 

I can't wait to share pics of her.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2012, 09:15:30 PM »
More and more of kitty girl.  She's using the box (yeah, carboard with a towel in the bottom and a kitty entry cut in) instead of the bed hiding more and more, and she comes out when I come in, which I'm doing a lot.  And then sits down and looks at me in the "I'm very unsure of you way" then sometimes goes into hiding or might hiss a little bit, but that's her prerogative!

She does look rather pleased when I talk to her, though...for a little bit and from a distance.  Why else would she be coming out when I go in?

 ;D - Raaz.

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Re: Sophie...
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2012, 12:55:43 AM »
Thank you for the updates! I am so glad she is slowly coming around!  :heart:
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