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Offline kerri.howard

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question about babies born this morning!
« on: June 21, 2018, 01:49:56 PM »
Hi all,

I posted in the adoption forum about my (surprise) preggers adoptee (Tiny).... I woke up to lots of little eeps this morning!

I have had rats for 15+ years but this is my first time dealing with birth/a litter. Since realizing Tiny was pregnant a few days ago, I have read and re-read everything I could find about caring for mom and the little ones.

But at this moment I still have some questions/concerns about labor/this first day:

I stayed up late keeping an eye on Tiny because I expected her to give birth last night. As of 7 this morning, no eepers... I woke up again at 10:40 to eepers (3 that I could see). As of 12pm there were at least 8, and now (12:35) the eeping has quieted (edit: by the time I typed this post, we're back to eeping). Tiny is in my "hospital" cage-- I think it's the Kaytee one, single level plastic bin bottom with small-spaced white-coated wires that snap onto the bin part. I had put a large piece of fleece down to line the bottom and given her lots of paper towel chunks. She has built her nest by pulling up the fleece "floor" and turning it into a roof. I can't see the babies unless I open the roof, which irks her (she nipped me gently but sternly). I don't want to stress her out, but I want to make sure she has really finished labor/no babies are stuck. There was some blood on the white paper towels -- not an alarming amount, but it looked like a little more than the "normal" pics of pre-birth bleeding I've found. But, there could be more... the plastic bin is dark blue, and best I can see she has cleared away the paper towels so the bubs are directly on the plastic mostly.

So I guess the question is -- how can I be sure she is done? how much harm/stress will I cause by peeping at her? I got Tiny on June 3rd, she was "4-5 months old." She was very timid at first, but had become very sweet and pretty trusting of me right up until labor (licking my hand, taking treats, coming to sit in my lap, etc.). So we aren't really super bonded but we're also not yet BFFs. :)

Also, since the babies are on the plastic, I put a heating pad under one corner of the cage to help keep things warm (same one I use under cages for old folks/post-ops). Is that okay?

Thank you all!!! And if you're anywhere near Chicago and want to adopt in 4-5 weeks... let me know!
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Offline BigBen

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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2018, 12:35:47 PM »
The heating pad should be fine, as long as she can move the pups somewhere cooler, if necessary.  And I believe that they are capable of their own thermoregulation after a few days.  Can't remember exacly how many days, but surely by the time their fur grows in.

Birth takes about ten minutes per pup, so if you wait double that time and no new one appears, she should be done--unless there's problem; and I don't know what to tell you to look for.

Lilspaz68 has a great deal of rat experience, including births, I believe, and should be able to advise you better.  If you search on her username, you can click on the e-mail button and reach her directly.  (I'm not sure how often she is on the forum these days, so an e-mail is probably better than a PM.)


ETA:  Marybelle and Suebee could probably help, as well.
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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2018, 07:56:06 AM »
CongRATS! Do you know about baby mash for mom and eepers?
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Offline kerri.howard

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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2018, 12:24:39 PM »
Thanks all! Momma and babies are doing fine. There were 14 originally, but a couple days ago went down to 13.... (no sign of the 14th, I'm guessing it died and Momma ate the corpse).

Any advice with super aggressive Mom, though? I only had her two weeks before the birth, and she was timid but had gotten to the point where she'd lick my hands/come up to investigate my lap. Since the birth, she wants to murder me. :) I had been cautious and trying to give her space, but she started trying to attack my hand even if I was just giving her a treat. So now to check babies/refill water/clean a LITTLE bit once a day, I set the cage on the futon, quickly open the door (before she bites me) and then steal the cage for ~5min while she runs around on the futon (which is covered in tents/igloos/rat toys). I feel bad for basically ignoring her most of the time, but sometimes if I even talk to her while she's in the cage she will lunge and jump up on the bars like a little velociraptor. I just want her to be as happy and comfortable as possible.

Her cage is in my office/rat room -- so it's pretty quiet, I am the only one that comes in here, but I kinda have to be in here most of the time during the day. The only other place I could put her would be the bathroom, but that would mean moving the cat litter box and she'd still have to see me a lot because I have to pee constantly. :)

Sorry to ramble! Here's baby pics as tax: https://imgur.com/a/72DLukm
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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 11:01:57 AM »
Give Mom time, it's hormones.
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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM »
My, my!  Aren't they adorable!  I wish I lived closer and had more room in my cage so I could take some.
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Re: question about babies born this morning!
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 08:12:06 PM »
They are PRECIOUS. If I didn't already have a full house I would keep them all.  :BlueDumboSmileTongue:
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